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True but what did you think of hostel's 1 & 2? Wow those films were absolutely HORRIBLE.
I don't really know what those have to do with Rob Zombie, but I only saw Hostel 1 and thought it was pretty awful. I'm not really an Eli Roth fan; although I did appreciate his "Thanksgiving" trailer because it was spot-on.
I did watch both Hostel 1 and 2. Preferred the second, but thought they were both okay. When they're on tv, I watch them again... Maybe it's the European in me. Who knows.
To be honest, I think a lot of people hate on Rob Zombie just because it's the popular thing to do. I personally think he's a decent director. He just has a very certain style about him that many find off putting. I will say that the man shouldn't be aloud to touch pen to paper. If it weren't for the incredibly hateful characters in his films, I believe they would be more accepted(Halloween especially). And constantly casting his wife is a BIG mistake. She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag.
The best part of the Halloween remake, IMHO, was the part that wasn't the remake. The back story of Michael was done fairly well, and I was getting the idea that it wasn't going to be so bad. Then they started in on the remake part. It went downhill very quickly mainly because they were trying to squeeze a story that originally ran for ninety minutes into a 45 minute space. All the kills were over before they began which destroyed the suspense. In addition, they were all hacked quickly with a knife as opposed to any level of creativity that the original displayed.
I thought it was a movie that started off well, but ended badly because he tried to reinvent a perfectly good wheel. He should have just done Halloween: The Prequel and left the rest alone.
As for a second one, of course I'll watch it. I'm a sucker for these things.
The best part of the Halloween remake, IMHO, was the part that wasn't the remake. The back story of Michael was done fairly well, and I was getting the idea that it wasn't going to be so bad. Then they started in on the remake part. It went downhill very quickly mainly because they were trying to squeeze a story that originally ran for ninety minutes into a 45 minute space. All the kills were over before they began which destroyed the suspense. In addition, they were all hacked quickly with a knife as opposed to any level of creativity that the original displayed.
I thought it was a movie that started off well, but ended badly because he tried to reinvent a perfectly good wheel. He should have just done Halloween: The Prequel and left the rest alone.
As for a second one, of course I'll watch it. I'm a sucker for these things.
I think you make a good point there, George.
I wonder if they ever considered going with the prequel idea, but decided - for commercial reasons - to run with the 're-imagining'.
The best part of the Halloween remake, IMHO, was the part that wasn't the remake. The back story of Michael was done fairly well, and I was getting the idea that it wasn't going to be so bad.
That's what killed the remake... Seeing who Michale Myers was was a mistake. Letting us know why Michale did the things he did and was who he was, was a mistake... We didn't need to know. It was better that we didn't know. Michale was an entity of his self... A seemingly normal kid who did what he did for reasons all to himself.
Michale lived in a normal house in a normal neighborhood. He had a normal family. He was a normal kid on the outside. That is what made the original so compelling. That is why he was so interesting.
Michale was just a fucked up seed. It happens all to often in society for no reason at all... There didn't have to be bulling. There didn't have to be abuse. There didn't have to be the drunk step dad and trashy house.... It made it better that there wasn't. It was even more puzzling that there wasn't, and thus Dr. Loomis was needed in the original... He was "OUR" gap and guide to Michaels past... He let the audience know who Michale was and he didn't even understand him fully.
So if he didn't understand him... A trained child psychologist -- How are we suppose to?
I think Zombie was the worst possible choice to revamp a series that I regard so highly - well at least 1,2,3,4,and 7.
He ended up taking the sister route which was possibly the biggest problem with the "old series" even though he insisted he has never seen any of the sequels - later to claim he had seen them and labled them "pathetic".
The guy is a massive hypocrite and when he was remaking the first film, I just had concerns when he was pointing out problems he had with the original, which were not really problems at all, and then he never rectified such problems in his version. If anything, he made them worse. His idea of realism is beyond me because just off the top of my head I dont beleive they give knives to mental patients and send in nurses to insult said patient to trigger him off and then turn their back on them. Just one complaint and I dont want to get into it. I'm sure Michael in the original could master a car in the original's escape. It's not impossible and ffs, I even wrote a better sequence based off the book. Zombie has him take out about 15 people, escape on foot in SLIPPERS, wearing a bright orange mask and then kill a guy in a busy garage stop and he escapes with no problems?
I'm not a fan of the half mask, TV spots, Myers throw a car off a cliff, mother hallucinating, more trashy characters ect. but that's because I am a die hard fan of the original series and I don't really like the change that I dont personally feel was needed.
Halloween 8 was woeful, but to go to this drastic level is just beyond. I think Zombie , also who has said on the H25 documentry " I hate horror movies with faceless characters" - then proceeds to make the Halloween remake with Annie's bf being killed who we never even see - and such gems as " Horror fans will just buy horror films anyway regardless of how good they are".
His documentary on Devils Reject and Halloween was great to see. He seems to have so much of an eye on the ball in these little insights but he is just not cutting it for me at the moment on the main thing - the fricking movie!
I think he is a good director in that he can put together some decent shots and establish mood ( apart from the crazy cheap shaky cam shite) but he needs to direct his actors more instead of just leaving it down to improv. Also his dialouge is just awful. He has no range in that department, whatsoever.
Myers at his best, for me was H1,2 and possibly 4. Even H20 if I squint my eyes when the masks switch over from time to time. I think they work because the focus is not on Myers essentially, it is more on the victims and was more on , in Halloween 2 and 7, the after effects of what Myers had done. Myers just occasionally appearing, his legs walking through a door, his breathing, whatever, just elevated the need and suspense to see the climax. Halloween II scared the hell outta me as a kid. It was the first Myers film I saw and the chase scenes with him and Laurie, I think, are legendary! The pacing, the music, the look of the whole thing. Never will that be seen again. It just felt terryfying.
I want to like H2, I want to actually gain some enthuisiam to want to see it, but it's not even a Halloween film to me. It just looks like what the other bazillion slasher films did after the orginal was made - try and copy the formula but change the killer. And Halloween II, 4, ect did copy the original but they ( the good ones ) kept the formula that made the original succesful. Which I think was simple : Don't f@@@ with Michael Myers!
Knock Knock is 10x's the movie Halloween remake is... That's sad, cos Rob Zombie has way more backers. It just shows you don't need millions, your slutty wife and rock n' roll in your film to make a decent product.
I really can't say I agree with you, Dressel. It looks really different to the rest of the films. More psychological than anything. Looks like it might still be good.
Not to mention, it looks great on a purely technical level too. Good atmosphere, lighting, etc.
I'll be mindful of the fact that it's Rob Zombie, so my standards aren't too high. But I'll be watching it.
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