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Mr. Blonde
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First off, thanks to James and Brett for recommending one of my scripts. I appreciate that. I could also recommend scripts from either of them. They're both great writers.

That said, Umbrage was originally written in 2006. If you're interested in something more recent, I have a sci-fi action thriller that made the Nicholl quarterfinals and got an honorable mention at Trackingb in 2011. Just let me know.

Addendum: if you're looking for a pro script, Django Unchained is a really good one I read recently.


Breanne,

I'm well aware of each of their talents, as well as yours, plus I've done some script searching of my own. I don't review most scripts as I like to peruse but I always make a note of writers with a great deal of talent. Funny thing is, there are a lot of talented people on this site.

Absolutely, Breanne, I definitely plan to check it out. I'll send you a private message because I'd love to read it. Nicholl QF and an HM at Trackingb are both certainly solid accomplishments.

I actually have checked out Django Unchained and there isn't a whole lot for me to learn from a prose standpoint. It was a solid script (except for the third act, which was awful) but I'm trying more to develop a different style of writing prose than anything else.

But, thank you for the suggestions and I'm going to PM you my E-mail. You can feel free to send me whatever scripts you'd like. They're all appreciated.


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Breanne Mattson
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I responded to your pm.

I know what you mean about Django. The version I read had a different ending than the movie.

The most recent script I've read was Zero Dark Thirty. Great script, but not really a lot of action. I started reading Looper. So far, so good. You might try that one.


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Was the other Django ending as bad? I worry because he painted himself into such a corner, there isn't really a good way to end that movie.

I might check out Looper for the educational value, but I also wasn't big on that, either. Something about the execution rubbed me the wrong way.

Zero Dark Thirty was solid, but I prefer The Hurt Locker when it comes to the Bigelow/Boal collaborations. Good call, though.


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The version of Django I read was more or less the same as the film. Characters get dispatched in slightly different ways, there's some torture, and a scene with Broomhilda and Billy Crash. The big shootout and the final exchange with Stephen from the film are not in the script.

I feel like the handshake scene just had to happen. It would've been a completely different film had that scene not occurred. However, everything that follows in both the film and the script feels rushed and just wraps up in a slightly awkward way. I read an interview with Tarantino in which he talks about tweaking the ending so that it feels more like an epilogue than a climax. That might've been the way to go but I don't think it came across particularly well.


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I wasn't a huge fan of Django, overall. Tarantino's started this thing ever since Kill Bill where his characters double-talk themselves and makes them say the same things twice and it continued here. Granted, it's better than most of the movies I watched last year, but a step down from my usual feelings about a Tarantino movie.

That said, there's two parts I liked above all others: the sequence where Schultz kills the Sheriff and the entire sequence at CandieLand. Everything from the moment Django surrenders was horrible (What was it originally like, James?) and the rest was kind of iffy.

In my mind, this was not a script Tarantino should've won Original Screenplay for, but it could've very realistically had three actors nominated for Supporting Actor (Sam Jackson was the most well-written and acted of the three).

That's me getting off on a tangent again, but that, as it appears, is how I operate.


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What was it originally like, James?


SPOILERS, needless to say...



...I warned you.



MAD SPOILERS...

The version I read (the one released by the Weinsteins so presumably a later draft than the leaked version) was really very similar to the film. Django and Broomhilda are captured immediately after Schultz is killed (no shootout).

The scene in a barn lasts a lot longer. It's a different character (Ace Woody) who threatens to castrate Django so they chat a little longer. Stephen also tortures Django with a red hot poker.

The LeQuint Dickey scene(s) last a lot longer. I actually wish they kept some of this material in the film as it explains why there're Australians in Mississippi and why they would even listen to Django (they're indentured servants). Instead, everyone's confused.

Django escapes, dispatches the trackers (with an axe, not a gun and even kills their dogs with poisonous mushrooms), rescues Broomhilda (here, from Billy Crash, following a rape scene).

Django blows up Candieland BEFORE the gang comes back from the funeral. He forces all of them (except the servants) to participate in a Mexican standoff. Ace Woody is the first to reach for his gun. Django kills all of them and blows them up with a stick of dynamite. No final speeches or nothing.

That's it.

With the exception of Broomhilda's rescue and the very last scene, I think the third act in the script is preferable to what's in the film (although Trinity Titoli is probably the best song of all time so maybe they balance out).

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I honestly thought Django was great. There're scenes in it that I actually think are some of Tarantino's best work. It is very rough around the edges though. The death of Sally Menke, in particular, was a HUGE loss and definitely affected the film's rhythm. To me, it feels like the first film Tarantino didn't labor over to be absolutely perfect. I'm okay with that though; I think he peaked with Kill Bill.


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Well, there's two different kinds of Tarantino. There's the '90s, small, very in-depth crime movies. Then, there's the new millennium overly-stylized Robert Richardson insanity fests.

While new millennium Tarantino is branching out (sort of), his movies don't have the grit and complete all-around solidarity that his '90s movies had.

I'll also disagree with your last part. I don't think he peaked with Kill Bill. First of all, Vol 2 is about 100 times better than Vol 1 is. It was a nice comeback from Jackie Brown (was never fond of it) but it never achieved full greatness. Funny thing, I hated Vol 2 the first time I saw it. Reason why? I expected Vol 1 again. However, each time I watch them, I like Vol 2 more and Vol 1 less. Same with Inglourious Basterds, I like it less each time.

But, I just got way off topic, as tends to happen with me. Point is, I knew a lot of that stuff (but didn't find out until you refreshed my memory) and think some's better and some isn't. One thing I liked about the film version that you didn't mention in the script version (the best moment post-shootout) was Stephen faking having a gimped out leg. That was the perfect final touch to his character, which was a great one.

P.S. Kurt Russell should've been in Django. I really wish he were. Mostly because the fact that they condensed him into Billy Crash didn't actually add any character to Billy Crash, which is odd.


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One thing I liked about the film version that you didn't mention in the script version (the best moment post-shootout) was Stephen faking having a gimped out leg. That was the perfect final touch to his character, which was a great one.


Well, I mentioned that I preferred the final scene of the film to the Mexican standoff in the script. That'd include Stephen's reveal, I'd expect. Anyway, I loved this as well. What a great character.


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P.S. Kurt Russell should've been in Django. I really wish he were. Mostly because the fact that they condensed him into Billy Crash didn't actually add any character to Billy Crash, which is odd.


I would've been absolutely stoked to have seen Kurt Russell in the film. The scene with Django in the barn plays out a lot better in the script. At the same time, I'm not sure how big a loss it is. Ace Woody really only has one substantial scene other than the one in the barn. It was totally a bit part.

Still, would've been cool for sure.


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I know you were inferring it, but I still didn't know if it was there. I should've figured it was because that's the complete arc for Stephen's character.

Bit part or not, Kurt Russell was brilliant in Death Proof (if 2007 weren't such a strong year, I'd have considered a recommendation for Supporting Actor, but they also snubbed both Mark Ruffalo and Elias Koteas from Zodiac) by playing two characters: the cool, methodical killer and the whiny bitch and I have no doubt that he would've absolutely ruled his only major sequence in Django as well.


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