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I've got Rogue coming tomorrow, so I'll give my review after that. Most seem to like it here, though, which is always a good sign.
Alligator I haven't seen in a long, long, time, but I remember it more as a satire than a horror flick. Written by the great John Sayles of course. That one scene where the great white hunter guy is trying to recruit a "porter" from a bunch of black dudes in the street...that was hilarious.
WOW!! Very, VERY impressed with this. Worked for me in every way. Surprised to hear that many find it dull and unrealistic. Love the bookend beginning and end.
How in the world did they make this for so little? FX were extremely solid and the overall film had a great look.
Highly recommended!
I loved the film. It's jaw-dropping what they managed to achieve with what they had. Whole thing shot on a Sony Ex 3 with just one 50MM lens.
It was pretty slow in the middle and considering they were in the middle of an infected zone, they never seemed scared in the slightest.
In that sense it was quite unrealistic...as was the way the US had built a wall to contain them, but hadn't just incinerated the whole area. In fact, pretty much nothing in the film makes a lot of sense (even to the point that they can't fly out of there...the aliens can't fly...so it makes no sense).
The flaws in logic never really bothered me though.
It's quite a unique film. I think with the title you kind of expect a tense raction/horror ride, but it's more of a love story drama than anything else.
I've been following this thread for awhile now. Gonna add my two cents on a few...
Frayed Thumbs down on this one. Bad acting, horrible dialogue and lackluster kills. I will second Jeff that the first ten minutes is a must see! The brutality of it is cringe-worthy. SPOILERS!!!! Kurt being the security gaurd is the first twist that you see coming the entire time. Then they hammer you with another at the end which helps the film redeem itself a bit, but its not a twist you could see coming. They just throw flashbacks at you in the end. If they could've set this up better, I would've liked it more.
Shuttle This was a pleasant surprise. Really enjoyed the pacing of it and the ending is a true eye opener. I would recommend this one also.
Monsters I enjoyed this for what its worth. I think the relationship between the two of them could've been fleshed out better as they try to make their way to the states. It was well handled for a low budget film though. I think its worth your time.
IP Man Absolutely thumbs up on this one. Trust me, this is the film Crouching Tiger wished it could've been. Fighting is well choreographed. But don't be fooled, That's not what the heart of this film is about. Its a great Hero's journey. Supposedly based on the life of the man who trained Bruce Lee. Of the four I've watched here, this is heads and shoulders above the rest. I see they made a sequel. Unfortunate, this story is complete and didn't need to go any further.
As for Frayed, I agree with everything you said, and I did not like it either. The point I wanted to make and see what people felt about it, is not only the final twist, but the fact that the majority of the movie took place inside the innocent kid's head.
It was a cool idea, but these things don't sit well with an audience, at least not me. It was ambitious to say the laest, though, and I do feel writers can benefit from seeing it.
Nice to see Shuttle getting the respect it deserves.
As for Frayed, I agree with everything you said, and I did not like it either. The point I wanted to make and see what people felt about it, is not only the final twist, but the fact that the majority of the movie took place inside the innocent kid's head.
It seemed like kind of a sell out. The whole thing was imagined. I get that he was afraid of his father and viewed him as the "Boogeyman" so to speak. One loose end was that somebody killed the security gaurds that eventually let him out. Did Kurt kill them or his father? That part wasn't imagined. It was a good attempt, it is a story that could've been very good with some rewrites. The way its layed out on film just didn't work for me, but I recognized its potential.
The Horde - in the foreign films... b-movie zombie flick about some corrupt cops who go into a run down building to get revenge on some thugs who killed one of their own.. and while they're attacking eachother a zombie apocalypse happens... - their building gets attacked... and the cops and criminals have to band together to get out alive
keep in mind its a b movie... the acting is marginal but tons of action and violence.
you get the feeling if this film had been written by a real writer, had real actors, and a real director.. i could have been pretty good.
Another shout for The Horde.
Pretty nice French zombie flick.
Doesn't re-invent the wheel, but zomnie fans with a couple of hours to kill will enjoy it.
First of all, in no way am I recommending this movie. But, I do want to draw parallels to Black Water and try to clarify what I was saying earlier about why it is a a good movie, based on a good script, whereas Bear is a shitty movie based on a shitty script.
The 2 movies are very similar in terms of plot and story, but because of just a few simple things, this one sucks, where the other rocked.
The setup here, once again, is pathetic, stupid, and ruins things right out of the gate. We've got the old reckless driving down an abandoned "short cut" through the woods.
We've also got 4 of the most irritating characters ever brought together.
And finally, as the movie slogs forward, we get completely ridiculous revelations from each character, that get more and more ridiculous, as we go on. I'm talking about Soap Opera land here bad.
So, my point, once again is to understand why this movie and script is so bad, and Black Water is the exact opposite on the spectrum. You may not like any scripts or movies based on nature horror survival, but you need to be able to see the difference between good, bad, and downright ugly.
Rick, I haven't read either script. I watched both movies and have to assume that the setup, plot, story, characters, and their dialogue is based on the written script.
What am I missing here?
My point, which continues to be impossible to get across to anyone, is that a script/concept/whatever you want to call it, doesn't have to reinvent the wheel to be "good".
When you have a solid, believable setup, likable, believable characters, who act, react, and speak like real people, you're off to a pretty damn good start, cause, obviously, the vast majority of movies don't understand this.
Now, granted, you may not "like" the movie, but at least you're not going to be laughing out loud, grunting and sighing in pain, or screaming how fucking pathetic it is, when they get these oh so simple things right.
And, IMO, when someone does that, they've written a good script and chances are in its favor that a decent to good movie will result in the efforts.
Watched Rogue and really liked it. The director did a great job of pacing the tension, throwing in twists and upping the stakes. Superb croc effects in this one. That friggin thing looked real! Far superior to Black Water on every level. This had a much, much bigger budget, I'm sure, but I thihk story-wise Rogue had that inventive hook and kinetic energy that Black Water lacked. Wasn't crazy about Michael Vartan, though. That character seemed somewhat out of place to me, almost like they needed to have an American hero kill the croc so lets throw the dude from Alias in there.
But seeing Black Water and Rogue really reminds me what a masterpiece Jaws is. It truly is the modern creature feature taken to its highest form. When it comes down to it, the logline would just be something like "Three men hunt down a giant shark that's been terrorizing an island resort." But through the depth of the characters, the quality of the directing and of course the music it became a classic.
I also somehow made it through Monsters. Ugh. This was as boring a flick as I've seen in a long time. Aside from that opening shot, the first act is nothing but talk between two very unlikeable leads. Ultimately, it went nowhere, IMO. This is a case of a great premise(samples of Jupier's moon Io break up over Mexico upon return to Earth and spawn monstrous creatures), and no follow through. I will say I was impressed with the creature effects. Other that that, this was a snoozer.
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