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Posted: January 13th, 2009, 2:03pm Report to Moderator
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Nixon, could you copy and paste what you find depressing about the article. I'm too lazy to register, but I'm interested in what disturbs you?
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Here's the article (take that, copyright laws). The gist of it is that the studios are dumping lots of cash into 3-D movies (like Avatar), but movie theaters haven't jumped on the 3-D band wagon. And without expensive upgrades to projection equipment in theaters, mass market 3-D releases aren't really possible. It comes down to math. Only 1,300 of North America’s 40,000 movie screens support digital 3-D but Studios require about 3,000 screens in North America for most new releases.

So basically, what bothers me is that digital 3-D (which I've read amazing things about) could die in it's crib, smothered by a pillow wielding theater owner.


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Hollywood Finds Headaches in Its Big Bet on 3-D

By BROOKS BARNES
LOS ANGELES — The imminent full-bore return to 3-D filmmaking, upon which the movie industry is placing many of its hopes, is in danger of becoming Hollywood’s latest flub.

Some of the mightiest forces in film — Jeffrey Katzenberg, James Cameron, John Lasseter — think the multiplex masses will soon demand that all movies be shown in newly available digital 3-D. Mr. Katzenberg, in particular, has pushed the format, trotting the globe to herald the technology as a transformative moment for cinema akin to the introduction of sound.

His bandwagon has plenty of passengers, at least in Hollywood. The Walt Disney Company alone has 15 three-dimensional movies in its pipeline. Twentieth Century Fox is betting an estimated $200 million on “Avatar,” a 3-D space adventure directed by Mr. Cameron and set for December release, his first nondocumentary film since 1997’s “Titanic,” still the biggest moneymaker in movie history, without counting inflation. All told, the movie factory has over 30 3-D pictures on the way.

But analysts are starting to warn that all of that product could find itself sitting on a loading dock with no place to go. Studios, thrilled by 3-D’s dual promises of higher profits and artistic advancement, have aggressively embraced the technology without waiting for movie theaters to get on board. And without those expensive upgrades to projection equipment at the multiplex, mass market 3-D releases are not tenable.

“It’s starting to look like there will be a lot of disappointed producers unable to realize the upside of these 3-D investments,” said Harold L. Vogel, a media analyst and the author of “Entertainment Industry Economics.” Filming in 3-D adds about $15 million to production costs, he said, but can send profit soaring because of premium ticket pricing.

Only about 1,300 of North America’s 40,000 or so movie screens support digital 3-D. (Imax adds 250.) Overseas, where films now generate up to 70 percent of their theatrical revenue, only a few hundred theaters can support the technology. It costs about $100,000 for each full upgrade.

Studios require about 3,000 screens in North America for most new releases. Popcorn movies like “Avatar” or “Monsters vs. Aliens,” a 3-D entry from DreamWorks Animation, typically open on more than 4,000 screens.

“The crunch has everybody scrambling,” said Chuck Viane, president for domestic distribution for Walt Disney Studios. “We had expected many more screens to be available by now, no doubt about it.”

Upgrades have lagged primarily because of industry infighting over who will shoulder the cost. Studios expected theaters to take the lead because digital equipment would allow them to raise prices — tickets to the new crop of 3-D movies run as high as $25 each — and lure consumers away from their big-screen living room TVs. Exhibitors, hurt by soaring real estate costs, wanted studios to pay for similar reasons.

Movie chains and four of the six major studios agreed in September on a plan to convert upward of 15,000 theaters using $1 billion in debt financing arranged through JPMorgan Chase. But the squabbling took too long: The financing plan came together just as the credit markets froze.

Studios and exhibitors say the upgrade plan is not in jeopardy.

“This is a long-term commitment and a long-term strategy,” Mr. Katzenberg, the chief of DreamWorks, said recently.

Meanwhile, the Digital Cinema Implementation Partners, a consortium of exhibitors and studios, is pursuing alternative financing to allow the plan to proceed in steps. “Rather than just being patient, we are aggressively exploring all options,” said Rich Manzione, the group’s vice president for strategic planning.

Other participants seem less optimistic. Will the credit markets thaw in the first quarter, as Mr. Katzenberg predicts? “Your guess is as good as mine,” said Mike Campbell, the chief executive of the Regal Entertainment Group, which owns the nation’s largest movie theater chain.

Meanwhile, the shortage of 3-D theaters is upsetting profit projections at various studios, with three-dimensional movies probably leaving millions of dollars on the table. When DreamWorks Animation releases “Monsters vs. Aliens” on March 27, it will have to settle for half the number of 3-D screens it wanted. While acknowledging the shortage, Mr. Katzenberg recently told analysts there were enough theaters available to “recover our upfront investment and make a profit.”

To get an idea of how much money is at stake, DreamWorks Animation recently estimated that one of its hit titles, released entirely in 3-D, would earn an additional $80 million in profit.

The shortage is sending mixed messages to moviegoers, many of whom are already skeptical of the claims about 3-D. Because of a shortage of outlets last summer, Warner Brothers had to scramble to change the marketing for “Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D” — dropping “3D” from the title — and offer a two-dimensional release in tandem. Lionsgate will have just 900 3-D theaters available for “My Bloody Valentine 3D” on Jan. 16, forcing the studio to show a standard version on about 1,600 screens.

The delay is also threatening to undercut one of the primary benefits for theaters — the ability to deliver an experience that consumers cannot replicate at home. But the home entertainment market is rapidly catching up, with companies developing 3-D options for the home.

RealD, a California company that is the lead provider of 3-D technology for theaters, last week demonstrated a similar product for televisions at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

Michael Lewis, the chief executive of RealD, said in an interview that he expected Americans to own 10 million 3-D-capable television sets within five years.

People who remember 3-D from the 1950s roll their eyes at Hollywood’s renewed fascination with the medium. They associate 3-D with cheesy films (“Creature From the Black Lagoon”), stiff cardboard glasses and jerky, stomach-turning camera movements.

This time, movie executives insist that everything has changed. Digital projectors deliver the images with perfect precision — eliminating headaches and nausea — while plastic glasses have replaced the cardboard.

Most important, say filmmakers, new equipment allows movies to be built in 3-D from the ground up, providing a more immersive and realistic viewing experience and not one based just on visual gimmicks.



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Haha...those guys are so silly.

Even a kid knows that 3-D is not really going to catch on in a big way until the technology has moved beyond the need to wear those silly glasses.

If somebody shows you 3-D technology that does not require silly glasses...invest.


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Cheers.

I'm in two or three minds about this whole thing.

I think it's fairly essential for the survival of cinema that they have something different. The quality of home systems is amazing these days. It would be a shame if theatres were to close and they are struggling.

So as a viewer these new experiences are welcome.

As a filmmaker I'm a bit worried about it. If it was to become the desired norm, that means I couldn't compete in any way with the big hollywood companies in any way shape or form.

I will also say that although I've enjoyed some 3D films, it's always a bit intrusive to the emotional experience. having an icon pop up telling me to put on glasses drags you right out of the film.

Shame about the technology not being installed though. Mr Cameron deserves people to watch his film.
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Apparently, James Cameron screened some footage of "Avatar" and the response was amazing.

During Q&A, he told the crowd that each frame of finished film takes 30-50 hrs to render, then double that for 3D.  Can you believe that?!?
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wow that's a lot of computer power. must be some very dense texture and color and substance that is being rendering into each CGI image.


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When do we get a freaking trailer!?

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Who knows, but I'm fuckin drooling over these production art stills. Literally drooling on my keyboard.
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Looking forward to this movie a lot but the art stills don't really reveal much.


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I see Transformers later today (I think). There was a rumor that the Avatar trailer would play in front of it. Anyone know if that was true? Hope so.


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Quoted from Aaron
I see Transformers later today (I think). There was a rumor that the Avatar trailer would play in front of it. Anyone know if that was true? Hope so.


Nope, seen T2 twice(both in digital and film) and the only trailers are "The Last Airbender" and "New Moon".

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Ok, thanks Zack.


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According to this article, the trailer for Avatar (+ a 15 minutes preview) will be avaiable on 21 August. Time to see if Cameron's still got it.


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I can't wait. Just to see something from this thing will be great. I think he's still got it. I bet they put the trailer in front of Inglorious Basterds


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Quoted from Aaron
I bet they put the trailer in front of Inglorious Basterds

With the size of the budget Avatar's got, I think they'll put in front of everything.



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