Quoted from Mr. Blonde I have a creedo, I stand by. It's not forcing beliefs onto others. Don't try and change my mind and I won't bother, either. =)

This isn't a matter of beliefs; it's the law.  You're not supposed to d/l and copy films.  If you believe you have the right to, because the company makes a lot of money, then you should feel okay about stealing groceries, cars, medications, and Dachsunds.


Phil

Quoted from Grandma Bear Phil has never called himself "Dog".

I always wondered why so many people, here, do that.  Especially when I sign my name each time I post.


Phil

Quoted from dogglebe So, because the studios have made money off them, it's okay to steal from them, right? Phil

Who said it was ok to steal? Certainly not me. I know stealing is illegal. Yet, apparently, if you use wireless internet and get someone else's connection, it's unlawful. I never understood what makes it different.

I'm rambling, though. Sorry.

Do people steal? Yes. Is it right? No. Will it stop? No. Who does it? Depends. In my case, people who can't afford to go to the theater, which is considerably more enjoyable than watching at home.

Quoted from Grandma Bear Phil has never called himself "Dog". Investors may have more money than you, but it's up to them what they want to invest their money in. It's not for you to decide if they made a sucky choice and therefore the product is for you to download for free.

Yes, I understand that, me (Pia, is it?). I could've called him by his full online name "Dogglebe" but it would be very much ado about nothing, seeing as how I quoted him...

As for responding to that part, see above. I already answered it. And, again, you're trying to make me accept your opinion. Wars get started by people who fight over opinions.

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Quoted from dogglebe This isn't a matter of beliefs; it's the law.  You're not supposed to d/l and copy films.  If you believe you have the right to, because the company makes a lot of money, then you should feel okay about stealing groceries, cars, medications, and Dachsunds. Phil

No, it's my opinion, as you missed what I said saying. My opinion goes along with what you said about how... Let me get a direct quote. I hated mis-quoting people. "So's rape, murder, hunger and bigotry.  That doesn't mean we should condone it."

It seems to me what you're saying there is that you're comparing crimes against humanity to not paying out $16 (which is usual) for something that is not only non-essential to your survival but also not of a quality that is even worth the viewing, more often than not, of course. Sounds like you are comparing apples to bowling pins, there, Phil...

Wars also get started when people violate the rights of others.

I think I'm done with this thread.


Phil

Quoted from dogglebe In reference to the one post where Phil is talking about copying media...

I dunno, Phil... I copy my movies all the time. I also make back up disc to any OS or software I buy for reasons of not having to buy it again, should I lose the original. For instance, I use Corel painter x for all my art work and stuff... I made a back up of it, thankfully, because someone stole my original. Now anytime I need to use it on a reboot I just use it.  Had I not done so I would've had to fork out 300 bucks again.

I find no harm in copying your media and backing it up, as long as you've bought it once. I do not condone stealing, streaming or peer to peering viable media or software... I do advocate backing up your stuff so, in the event something goes wrong, you have it.

I was actually referring to people calling me Dog or Dogglebe, here.


Phil

Quoted from dogglebe I was actually referring to people calling me Dog or Dogglebe, here. Phil

I know, I got the wrong quote...  

Quoted Text This isn't a matter of beliefs; it's the law.

Laws are beliefs themselves, so I believe his argument does have some merit. Whether you are punished for disobeying them or not, or if you even give shit about them in the first place, is a different matter entirely.

Quoted Text If you believe you have the right to, because the company makes a lot of money, then you should feel okay about stealing groceries, cars, medications, and Dachsunds.

But the thing is, he doesn't. You're trying to lump everything together into one category. It will never work. In fact, comparing piracy to rape like in your other post is quite possibly the and most ridiculous thing I have ever read, and that's being nice. Crime is too broad a term for you to do that.  

If I want to watch Twilight through a stream just to pick it apart for a blog review, I'll do it. There's no way I will contribute money to that craze. That doesn't mean I feel like I have the right to go outside and rape a girl because I'm horny. Like it or not, we all have different ranges of what we consider ethical behavior. Some people don't give a shit about piracy. I don't think they should be lumped together with rapists and bank robbers, or other people who commit criminal assaults.

Personally, I don't like watching pirated movies or streams because the quality is almost always horrid. I just felt the need to point out just how ridiculous your analogy was.

Quoted Text I find no harm in copying your media and backing it up, as long as you've bought it once. I do not condone stealing, streaming or peer to peering viable media or software... I do advocate backing up your stuff so, in the event something goes wrong, you have it.

I wish I had started doing that sooner. I had to pay for two DVDs of The Exorcist because some jackass spilt Kool-Aid on my first one. Actually, not just "some jackass," but my friend. But still..I was pissed off, to say the least. That thing is hard to remove once it dries up.


--Julio

Quoted from Baltis. I find no harm in copying your media and backing it up, as long as you've bought it once. I do not condone stealing, streaming or peer to peering viable media or software... I do advocate backing up your stuff so, in the event something goes wrong, you have it.

Pretty sure that's legal, so long as you are copying media for the reasons you've stated.

Quoted from dogglebe This isn't a matter of beliefs; it's the law.  You're not supposed to d/l and copy films.  If you believe you have the right to, because the company makes a lot of money, then you should feel okay about stealing groceries, cars, medications, and Dachsunds.

See? Now that's a way better comparison than rape, murder, etc. Still, downloaders don't give a shit. Why? Because they can commit crime in the comfort of their own homes with complete anonymity and without having to see the faces of the people they're ripping off. Not to mention the process is the same as, say, updating virus software. This is precisely why piracy is so prevalent.

As I've already said, I'm not condoning it and not knowing much about the costs of filmmaking like Pia, I won't presume to know how much piracy effects filmmakers (although I'm damn certain their profits aren't nonexistent, even if they don't make all of their money back). I will say that as a paid (but not yet professional) screenwriter, I'm not going to let piracy bother me. Not now and not in the future. If Abattoir gets pirated and I lose part of my cut, I'll be bummed for sure. But I won't lose sleep over it. What's the point when there's practically as many illegal downloaders out there as there are voters? And just like voters, they're all anonymous. There's really not much you can do as a writer. The studios are losing the battle as it is and it seems like they're trying really hard. That's not to say there's nothing you can do but personally, I really think my time is better spent writing the best I can than joining some kind of crusade.

Oh dear. the old "piracy is bad. . . Mkay"

I'm surprised this argument is even happening here. I thought if you write scripts then you must be a movie geek.

If you are stupid enough to buy a super duper $2000 flat screen TV so you can download and watch poor quaily movies than more fool you. Let the stupid people be happy.

One very simple reason I don't do pirate movies cause I am obsessed with films and I believe you only get to experience a movie for the first time once and once only. so you want to make that experience as perfect as possible.

But if I fail to see a particular movie at the cinema or unable to rent it on DVD, than I resort to my trusty Utorrent. But only as a last resort.

So, you write a script, get it produced, and all that, shouldn't someone pay to see all that hard work?

No, it doesn't help that it is expensive and that most of what's out now is crap, but still

I'm of the same opinion as Tonka. I love movies and would prefer to see the ones I'm really keen on at the cinema. As for the ones the ones I let slip through to DVD, I'd still prefer to pay $3 to watch them rather than watch a crappy pirated version. The philistines who prefer watching crappy quality DVDs over good quality ones, just to save a few lousy bucks, are usually the type of people who prefer Dominos’ pizza over authentic Italian pizza.   But hey, we all have different taste. It’s just that some people’s taste is in their arse.

Quoted from Takeshi I'm of the same opinion as Tonka. I love movies and would prefer to see the ones I'm really keen on at the cinema. As for the ones the ones I let slip through to DVD, I'd still prefer to pay $3 to watch them rather than watch a crappy pirated version. The philistines who prefer watching crappy quality DVDs over good quality ones, just to save a few lousy bucks, are usually the type of people who prefer Dominos’ pizza over authentic Italian pizza.   But hey, we all have different taste. It’s just that some people’s taste is in their arse.

To be fair to piraters, there are good ones out there. Hell, I can rip a Blu-ray movie under 4 gb and retain 96% of the picture quality using the proper software and tools to do it.  It also doesn't take but an hour to do it.  Now, I don't go out and slap these movies up on sites for people to DL, but I know people, myself included, that can take a 4gb DVD and compress it down to 700mb and still retain the quality of the film within 2 % of it's original quality.

It's a challenge to some people to make good quality rips. Some people just do it for back ups and some people do it for other people.  There's always a market for it and I don't agree with feeding into it, but there are benifits to tech and I encourage people to explore those benifits.

Hmm hmm hmm. It could almost be said that Hollywood has been dumbing down the movie going public so they can shovel any sort of shit onto them. And now the movie audience has got so dumb they will watch any poor quality pirate shit and embrace it as if it with the same zezt as HDD blu-ray.

As the kid from the Simpsons would say: HAR-HAR! and point his finger at the big studios.  

Quoted from tonkatough Hmm hmm hmm. It could almost be said that Hollywood has been dumbing down the movie going public so they can shovel any sort of shit onto them. And now the movie audience has got so dumb they will watch any poor quality pirate shit and embrace it as if it with the same zezt as HDD blu-ray. As the kid from the Simpsons would say: HAR-HAR! and point his finger at the big studios.

How else was Soul Plane supposed to get an audience?