Si,

To be fair - as a fellow Brit, and someone who can get your sensibilities - I can vouch that Tim is a guy who not only writes well, but comments with the best intentions.

Yes, there are people here with nothing but bad advice and ridiculous comments; and that's the internet for you.

I have read a script of yours and see your talent - don't feel like you should be moved away from the site.

Just contribute and ignore the obvious arseholes would be my 0.02.

Andrew

Quoted from Grandma Bear "The purpose of the OWC maybe should be explained more clearly"  I don't see how it can be explained more clearly. There were no links to the scripts???  I read them all. Including yours... Judges? It's not a competition...

See? Why split hairs - it's been described as a competition so many times - you're deliberatley trying not to understand and that's the problem here. You don't see how it can be explained more clearly - then you're not thinking clearly. The challenge is to be reviewed by a set of chosen people - judges - whatever or is open to all - everyone who submits a script should review all of the scripts - could have been said - made clear - but you don't see that 'cos you don't want to see it - you dumb down because you want to dumb down. It's called lack of empathy, a lack of desire to see things from another person's point of view - egotism. And that is precisely why there are so many insults on this site, and why people are so quick to hit out at other people. Try changing your life a little, and have a go at looking at things from another's perspective before chucking on your sunglasses and then going 'but I don't see a problem'.

Simon

Quoted from Forgive it's been described as a competition so many times - you're deliberatley trying not to understand and that's the problem here.

When did Don ever say it was a competition?

I'm not deliberately trying to not understand. Why would I do that?

Quoted from Forgive The challenge is to be reviewed by a set of chosen people - judges -

Who are these chosen people? I'd like to know. I would love for them to read my script.

Quoted from Forgive everyone who submits a script should review all of the scripts

No one's ever said that, but it's been suggested to all participants to read at least 3 entries.

Quoted from Forgive you don't see that 'cos you don't want to see it - you dumb down because you want to dumb down. It's called lack of empathy, a lack of desire to see things from another person's point of view - egotism.

...Thank you.  

OK, Simon, let's get to the root of this problem here...

You say things were not clear...that you didn't understand...that you couldn't open any scripts...blah, blah, blah.  You then come out and accuse various people (myself included) of various things.

OK, I get that.  Help me out here now...

How long have you been a member on SS?  How did you come across the OWC?  Were you familiar with it from previous ones, or just this one now?  Did you not understand that those who enter, also are expected to read and comment on the anonymous entries?  Did you not see the scripts start showing up in groups of 5 Sunday morning?  Did you not see any of the feedback on all the scripts, inclduing yours?

I just find it very strange that you figured out how to enter, but didn't understand what it even was you were entering into.

Please explain and help us out here, so we can figure out where the problem actually is.

* All you had to do was open the thread and click on the name of the script. And since you have read other scripts on here you know exactly how it works.
- Sorry - not my experience at all. I did try and read the scripts, and could not access them. It certainly was not the same process as reading the other scripts - therefore my assuption that certain people had been allocated the taskof reviewing (not having been involved in a OWC before).

*As for the purpose of the OWC, do you want a big neon billboard erected outside your house with the OWC guidelines for you to read.
- Sarcasm. No, having taken into account the aggressiveness with which people have responded, just clarity.

*If you were having problems understanding anything, what is so difficult about posting a comment to the effect of 'hey guys I'm new, how does this OWC work exactly? I am trying to read the scripts but am having trouble. Help.
- Please think about what you are saying - I didn't realise there was a problem until people started having a go after the challenge.

*it is like 2 weeks since all the scripts have been up... What's stopping you from doing that? (reading them)
- Sorry - there is no deadline (unless I've got this wrong as well) - I still have printed scripts from a while back that I am reading. And I don't have to keep to your dealines either. I had someone respond to something I posted some time back - I still appreciated it.

*Mate I suggest you toughen up a bit.
- Sorry, but again, you are wrong. I teach my children manners so they can use them whenthey are adult. There is a difference between incivility and toughness. Believe me. I have had to bite my tongue at times to respond to the negativity on this site. And I'm speaking up against some of the hostile comments, and some of the destructive critisim. That is not weakness - weakness is joining in with the hoodlums.

*Do you think it is fair for someone to write something and have everyone offer their time to read it and for that person to not read anything in return? If you are put off from entering another OWC because of this then perhaps you aren't cut out to be a writer.
- Dare I suggest that you are not cut out to be a writer as you do not think enough about the things that you are writing? First I am put off because of the attitude that has been shown. I did not read anything on the challenge because of a misunderstanding, not because I intentionally refuse to review other people's work. You have your argument confused (deliberately, I would suggest, in order to sustain it).
- Secondly, there is an argument which I think you will find too complicated (I don't believe you are a thinker). Quite simply, your ability to give feedback is strengthened by your skill in the area. As someone who is learning, there is a reduced value to any feedback as you can tell another learner very little that will guide them. As you gain in experience, you have more knowledge about what your are feeding back, and therefore the quality of your feedback grows, and is of greater value to those people. So where I have given feedback, it has been more valuable proportional to what I have learnt. As you learn, and become able to see more clearly what you are doing, then you are better able to aid others. Is that too difficult for you to understand?
Simon

Quoted from Dreamscale OK, Simon, let's get to the root of this problem here... You say things were not clear...that you didn't understand...that you couldn't open any scripts...blah, blah, blah.  You then come out and accuse various people (myself included) of various things. OK, I get that.  Help me out here now... How long have you been a member on SS? >>Since March 21st, 2010 How did you come across the OWC? >> Saw it on the home page.   Were you familiar with it from previous ones, or just this one now? >>Just this one.   Did you not understand that those who enter, also are expected to read and comment on the anonymous entries? >>No, I did not understand that. Did you not see the scripts start showing up in groups of 5 Sunday morning? >>No, I did not see that. Did you not see any of the feedback on all the scripts, inclduing yours? >>Yes, I saw the feedback, but had not been able to access the scripts. I just find it very strange that you figured out how to enter, but didn't understand what it even was you were entering into. >>I accept that. I think I may at best call it a misunderstanding. I saw the competion, and uploaded according to the guideline, then could not access any scripts, thought little of it, as I assumed that the people reviewing them had been sent the scripts by Don to have them reviewed, being under the impression that these guys were 'better qualified' to review them. Please explain and help us out here, so we can figure out where the problem actually is.

I hope this explanation is adequate for you.
Simon.

Well, I guess it's adequate based on the fact that you actually answered all my questions, but it doesn't make sense to me still, misunderstanding or not.

OWC scripts open up just like any other posted scripts, so if you saw feedback flowing in, you should have been able to open the script just like everyone else was.  Also, you are familiar with posting, so you should have had no problem posting a question...like, "How do I open these OWC scripts?"  Or, "Who are all these people reviewing the OWC scripts?"

Misunderstandings take place all the time, Simon.  I'm sure you know that.  IMO, you are not handling this well at all, and are totally alienating yourself from a bunch of good people here at SS.  If the misunderstanding was on your part, just fess up to ti and move on. Quit making little hissy comments to people who are speaking the 100% truth.

Also, you know how this works now. You know you should have read and commented on OWC scripts.  Why not go back and provide comments to everyone who provided comments on your script?  Most of these entries are short, so in the time you've spent arguing with people here, you could have already read and commented on 3 or 4 scripts.

You know what I'm saying?  It sure couldn't hurt...

Quoted from Forgive * All you had to do was open the thread and click on the name of the script. And since you have read other scripts on here you know exactly how it works. - Sorry - not my experience at all. I did try and read the scripts, and could not access them. It certainly was not the same process as reading the other scripts - therefore my assuption that certain people had been allocated the taskof reviewing (not having been involved in a OWC before).

The process is exactly the same, stop BS'ing everyone and just admit you didn't bother to read them. The links worked for everyone else, why are you special?

Quoted Text *it is like 2 weeks since all the scripts have been up... What's stopping you from doing that? (reading them) - Sorry - there is no deadline (unless I've got this wrong as well) - I still have printed scripts from a while back that I am reading. And I don't have to keep to your dealines either. I had someone respond to something I posted some time back - I still appreciated it.

Yes, you have that wrong as well. People are expected to read a few scripts during the week when they are still anonymous. If you have time to write your own script and submit it, then you have time to read and comment on a couple of others at least. Stating anything to the contrary is a complete load of crap.

Quoted Text - Sorry, but again, you are wrong. I teach my children

Sorry but from the way you are carrying on I assumed you were about 14.

Quoted Text Believe me. I have had to bite my tongue at times to respond to the negativity on this site. And I'm speaking up against some of the hostile comments, and some of the destructive critisim. That is not weakness - weakness is joining in with the hoodlums.

So we're hoodlums now? That's funny, you should write comedy.

Like Dreamscale said, with all the time you are spending on your little hissy fits here you could have read and commented on some scripts. What you don't seem to understand is that these challenges only exist based on the notion of give and take. if everybody had your selfish attitude then the OWC would simply not exist. It needs people to make comments to keep it alive. Thankfully we have members on here who value the site and give their time and effort and ask for nothing in return, which helps cover the void left by people such as yourself.

I guess there is no getting through to you. We are all wrong and you are right. The big bad writers are being mean to poor Simon. Stop playing the victim here buddy and see this for what it really is. We are explaining to you the protocol for the OWC, as you said you had trouble understanding it. If you enter, you are expected to read scripts. Plain and simple. Anyone could understand that. Now you know, there are no excuses. So don't waste everyone's time by continuing to comment here, just go read some scripts and contribute.

Cheers,
Tim.

Quoted from dogglebe, first post, OWC Genre and Theme If you're going to submit a script, please read other people's work.  Not doing so really really sucks.

I did not notice all of the bickering on this thread until now.

I will let dogglebe's words be the final words on this back and forth -- deletions will ensue -- but will point out to Simon's detractors that at least the guy is around.

People who submit a script and never even set foot on the discussion board suck much, much harder -- Simon just happens to be around, so he takes the pounding on behalf of all the offenders -- which is not "entirely" fair.

Comment on his script if you want, but it is time for this little debate to wind down.