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Newbies should be limited to sending a scene or two. And if they come to the party, we will recognise them.
I don't think Dave was suggesting we limit all newbies to only a few scenes. Rather add a new section where they can post a scene or two if they wish too (The WIP section currently requires at least half of a project, rather than scenes)
Newbies should not have walls erected around them from the onset - plus scripts are not posted primarily for review, they are posted primarily for consideration - filmmakers use the site to find scripts to produce which should (and is) open to all.
Could a minimum post count be a way for newbies to earn a full script critique?
I don't think that would work. Everyone here reads and comment on their own free will. Even us mods do our "jobs" for free. . If a minimum of posts were required, would that mean someone has to read and comment on the script? If so, who?
"LIKE" buttons? For scripts and for posts? I dunno, people love hitting a "LIKE" button. And people love getting "LIKES". I'm just thinking in terms of trends -- I've been seeing this option on other screenwriting sites. I don't really care about likes personally, but people love interacting with minimal effort and I think this would encourage more interaction. And even though I love SS and that it's had the same look for as long as I can remember, just having like buttons would somewhat modernize things a bit without changing the site too much.
Everyone likes to be 'liked'. People will become interactive and will try to bring their A-game each time possible. But also keeping in mind that this might gain negative traction since it might turn off some people simply coz of not getting likes rather than learning the skills of screenwriting. Also 'likes' system brings with it the notion of trends, I guess. If people like certain genre or theme more, then it will spark that kind of work rather than exploring. So there's that.
I'll add it. Good tip. Still, would think you'd notice feedback on the thread of your 'just posted script', but worth a reminder for sure..
Yep - it is explained there pretty clearly. But.....
I would bet that once a Newbie cliicks:
Yes, I am open to feedback on my work on the discussion board.
When they submit their script - they may think they are done. But it doesn't work that way. When you post a script, you have to go to your script page, open a response box and click the :
Check this to be e-mailed each time someone replies to this topic. box. For examples, in OWCs, if I want to be notified of comments on my script - I have to go through that step I just described,
If there was a way that when you submit a script it said:
Yes, I am open to feedback on my work on the discussion board and want to be e-mailed each time someone comments -
AND - that triggered the automatic email, I think it would solve the problem.
It is just hard for me to believe that someone goes thru the trouble of posting their script, clicks I want feedback and then doesn't respond to the feedback
I don't think Dave was suggesting we limit all newbies to only a few scenes. Rather add a new section where they can post a scene or two if they wish too (The WIP section currently requires at least half of a project, rather than scenes)
Newbies should not have walls erected around them from the onset - plus scripts are not posted primarily for review, they are posted primarily for consideration - filmmakers use the site to find scripts to produce which should (and is) open to all.
Yeah - something like that - it's a I'm learning section
Nope, you were spot on. I just checked my settings and the only work that I ever checked the 'Notify' box was my very first, almost five years ago. I forgot that it was even an option (yet, thought it should be). My memory is like a sieve anymore so I need prodding for things like that.
"LIKE" buttons? For scripts and for posts? I dunno, people love hitting a "LIKE" button. And people love getting "LIKES". I'm just thinking in terms of trends -- I've been seeing this option on other screenwriting sites. I don't really care about likes personally, but people love interacting with minimal effort and I think this would encourage more interaction. And even though I love SS and that it's had the same look for as long as I can remember, just having like buttons would somewhat modernize things a bit without changing the site too much.
As an admittedly casual user of the site, I like the challenges that are set regardless of size. I don’t always submit an entry, work sometimes gets in the way and I confess that writing scripts is purely a hobby for me, but fun and it’s always interesting reading what others have done. I can’t comment on what should change but I like the challenges and I’d like to see more of any type.
If at first you don't succeed........bribe someone.
Nice. Everyone's getting on this with suggestions. And all are being noted.
I don't personally like 'likes'. I've been visiting Scriptshadow lately and they run rampant with upvoting, and down voting to a lesser extent.. I found myself using them and then just felt weird hitting that thing, like I'm some kind of robot. Then I wanted to see who upvoted my comment. How quickly we become programmed for approval.
If I've commented on something, positive or negative, (I try to give a balanced view) I think my feelings are obvious. At times I've missed a thumbs up emoji, (like one for a 'Congrats) which is the same thing I suppose, but I'm averse to popularity contests, and unpopularity contests more to the point.
Feedback is enough imho. I could be wrong of course. My husband says I'm wrong quite a bit. Which I frequently down vote.
Yep - it is explained there pretty clearly. But.....
I would bet that once a Newbie cliicks:
Yes, I am open to feedback on my work on the discussion board.
When they submit their script - they may think they are done. But it doesn't work that way. When you post a script, you have to go to your script page, open a response box and click the :
Check this to be e-mailed each time someone replies to this topic. box. For examples, in OWCs, if I want to be notified of comments on my script - I have to go through that step I just described,
If there was a way that when you submit a script it said:
Yes, I am open to feedback on my work on the discussion board and want to be e-mailed each time someone comments -
AND - that triggered the automatic email, I think it would solve the problem.
It is just hard for me to believe that someone goes thru the trouble of posting their script, clicks I want feedback and then doesn't respond to the feedback
Note - I could be entirely wrong
Yep, excellent point, Dave. Hopefully Don can incorporate this in the near future. It's an important one for generating activity on the boards and for making Newbs feel welcome and keep coming back. And, generating posts on scripts gets Filmmakers interested.
Nice. Everyone's getting on this with suggestions. And all are being noted.
I don't personally like 'likes'. I've been visiting Scriptshadow lately and they run rampant with upvoting, and down voting to a lesser extent.. I found myself using them and then just felt weird hitting that thing, like I'm some kind of robot. Then I wanted to see who upvoted my comment. How quickly we become programmed for approval.
If I've commented on something, positive or negative, (I try to give a balanced view) I think my feelings are obvious. At times I've missed a thumbs up emoji, (like one for a 'Congrats) which is the same thing I suppose, but I'm averse to popularity contests, and unpopularity contests more to the point.
Feedback is enough imho. I could be wrong of course. My husband says I'm wrong quite a bit. Which I frequently down vote.
I'm just suggesting it based off of trends on other sites. Even Script Revolution has like options. And not everybody comments, whether it's because they're being shy or lazy. And LIKES make everyone feel good, especially younger writers who may need encouragement. I'm not suggesting dislike options. And star options offer people a chance to downvote. I feel a like button offers a black or white option while comments explore the grey areas in more detail. A LIKE button is simple and wouldn't dramatically change the look of the site that we've all been accustomed and drawn to over the years. It's just an option, a little thing someone can click on. And it offers a feature that is probably the most simple and popular on most social media sites, which attract a lot of traffic -- and that simple feature is one of the draws of those social media sites. It's just a modern thing.
It is a modern thing, Michael, I agree. I quit the Socials cause they drive me nuts.
Some people live for their 'likes' - a proven adrenaline rush.
I seem to remember some talk of stacking of negative votes in the past too, just because someone didn't get on with the other person on the site I.e., let's down vote this script out of spite.
A 'blank' on the other hand can equate to 'ignore' or 'thumbs down' for some though. All I care about is that it doesn't alienate, or make people feel bad. If there's a way around that, cool.
It's up to Don ultimately. And if that little addition brings hordes to SS, then great.
It's nice just to see more activity and talk on the site through this discussion alone.
Warren, out of interest can you post the link to James's Quickie challenge? Would people be into that on a semi-regular basis, like the regular Movie Poet challenges used to be?
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