Hey all!

Is anyone still interested in this or did we burn out on it last time around?

For those who are unfamiliar with this, it was an attempt to discuss produced/professional scripts and what worked with the script and why/why not.

Sorry I couldn't find the original thread... I even used the search feature.  

I'm always ready to learn.

I think the script club is an excellent study no matter whether it's professional scripts we're working on or amateur.

I'm still interested.

Sandra

Okay, great!

Do we want to do another one or do we want to wait until the KILLER GAME is over... or is this something that draws a different crowd?

Maybe you should wait til the game is over, so you have complete focus on the club?

Just a suggestion.

I would like to participate myself.  I was never able to get around to the other ones, tho.

I've got to work at the hospital in the next couple of days and my turn is coming up here quick; so I'm game as soon as my turn is over.

This round of Killer is going to be wrapped up soon I think; so it might be good to let everyone finish this and catch a breath before we move on.

Sandra

Great!

Maybe we can kick around some ideas on what to discuss until the Killer Game is over.

I can probably come up with a script in any genre for discussion, so let me hear some suggestions.    

Unproduced script.

You mean a script written by one of us?

Fine by me... just trying to figure out what everyone wants to discuss.

Quoted from Grandma Bear You mean a script written by one of us? Fine by me... just trying to figure out what everyone wants to discuss.

If you want a short- go ahead and put Come Saturday Mourning up on the chopping block.

If you want a feature, how about one of Michael Previtt's.

Sandra

Quoted from Sandra Elstree. If you want a feature, how about one of Michael Previtt's. Sandra

Where has he been?  If we do an unproduced script, it's very beneficial if the writer is around.

Absolutely! It needs to be a script by someone who's active on these boards and will appreciate the invaluable feedback!

Yes, I know he's been missing. My mistake, but I've liked some of his work.

Sandra

Quoted from Sandra Elstree. Yes, I know he's been missing. My mistake, but I've liked some of his work. Sandra

Going a step further, the first script club was based around one of his scripts.  Let's spread the wealth a little.

Quoted from Shelton Going a step further, the first script club was based around one of his scripts.  Let's spread the wealth a little.

Okey dokey - I missed that one. Which one was it?

Quoted from Sandra Elstree. Okey dokey - I missed that one. Which one was it?

The Clean Up Crew

How about we use a script without a title? Not letting anyone know if it is a produced or  SS member script?

I think it'd be easy to tell.

Not necessarily, if the script was never posted.

Quoted from mcornetto Not necessarily, if the script was never posted.

I was talking more about the way it's written.  Produced/Purchased scripts always seem to read different to me.  It's all a crap shoot, really, but it could potentially be a good gauge for the writer.  If it were unproduced that is.  I doubt the writer of a sold script would care.

The produced/not produced doesn't matter to me so much right now. For me it's something that has some kind of meaning woven into it like Cindy Keller's "Garbage".

Then again, I think every script has meaning woven into it; so I don't know what I'm talking about right now.

Sandra

I have a feature of my own I'd like to throw up soon would that be out of the equation? haha. just kidding.  I'm a noob anyways.

Yeah, you can tell a produced from an unproduced -- the unproduced one is often better.

In all honesty, though, not disclosing the state or writer of the script has some appeal to it. The only hang up is that whoever selects it will know and the writer will have to submit an "unlabeled" copy. This would cause a minor problem in that the script club was intended to provide a different insight than just a review that was to be posted on the script's thread.

Something to consider as well... What if it were a fully produced one and part of the deal is to compare the script to the final movie? Some scripts undergo some pretty vast changes between paper and film. Labyrinth comes to mind right away.

Quoted from George Willson Yeah, you can tell a produced from an unproduced -- the unproduced one is often better.

That would be a lot of wishful thinking on my part, but I'll keep working- no matter.

Quoted from Shelton I was talking more about the way it's written.  Produced/Purchased scripts always seem to read different to me.  It's all a crap shoot, really, but it could potentially be a good gauge for the writer.  If it were unproduced that is.  I doubt the writer of a sold script would care.

Yep. Understood what you were talking about after I posted it.

I would like to do a produced script. But based on past experiences I think it's counter productive.  Very few people want to criticise sold scripts.  

Therefore, I think what would benefit people most would be to do an unproduced script. I had hoped I would have my rewrite of Demon Beach done in time but it doesn't look like that will happen.

Any script is pretty much ok with me as long as it isn't a western or war movie.

Script Club = awsomeness-coolness.

We've done what comedy, horror & sci-fi so far?

Mcornetto, as far as western or war "movies" (not exactly the same as script) genre is rarely the problem when it comes to bad or boring scripts or movies.

I don't expect this to be part of script club, but I finished reading Frost / Nixon yesterday and recommend it if anyone what's to read a good script where action is dialogue. Within the script they liken the two to boxers. Fitting.

And, what's this Killer Game?

It should be an unproduced, member script.  Don has expressed his preference for that privately, and that should be trump, I think.

It should definately be a member who is active on the boards -- in terms of reviews -- not just posts.

I would hesitate (a bit) about putting someone's very first script out there.  As this is meant to be a learning experience, it should perhaps be someone with a proven track record of generating scripts that are both readable and correct in terms of the mechanics of storytelling.

And it should be something posted on the boards -- with the same version accessible to everyone.  Not something that has to be emailed around.

I am not sure why concealing the name of the author would really make that much difference, and it would probably generate more confusion than anything.

Cool,

I'm always in Pia. For me it's fine and i don't mind if the script is from a member or a produced script.

As for suggestions I'm not sure. If bert has a new feature he hasn't told us about then let's go with it hehe. Or one of Mike's script. Still i'm interested in reading one of Mr.Z features when he has one finished.

Let's wait for Killer Game to be finished first so we can focus totally here.

Cheers

Quoted from NiK Still i'm interested in reading one of Mr.Z features when he has one finished.

Now there is an interesting thought, Nik.  I happen to know there is one floating about.

Not sure why he has not posted it up, but if somebody can twist his arm (coughPiacough), that could make for a very good choice.

If by “twist his arm” you mean a private strip on webcam, I’m good.

Seriously, I’m flattered that my name was dropped, but the script you’re talking about needs a very serious rewrite, and I wouldn’t want to receive feedback on things I already know aren’t working.

It's far from "finished", despite the fact that I typed "Fade out".

Thanks for considering my work, though.

So are we talking about a script that has been possibly beaten into the ground already, is probably production ready, and could use a final polish or two from some in-depth discussion to really show off the holes in it? Using one that has been hit before by more than one reviewer and that the author has been willing to rewrite already might be a decent choice. That way we're not all just flapping our gums over something that'll never change.

By the same regard, I would think a first draft of anything would not be the best choice.

Oh, and Busy Little Bee, for the Killer Game, check out the "SS Craven" threads.

Boy this thread sure took off!
That's great people are still interested. The boards seem to me to have been pretty quiet lately except for the Killer Game thread. Maybe some new people would be interested in this as well.

Any script or genre is fine with me.

Does anyone want to be our "host/hostess" to guide us through the different subjects to be discussed?

and Z... I thought last time we did the webcam thing your computer crashed.

Quoted from Grandma Bear Does anyone want to be our "host/hostess" to guide us through the different subjects to be discussed?

Why don't you be our hostess? You got my vote

Hopefully I'm in also.  I didn't really get to participate in the last one, but I'd like to again.  The previous two were fun!

I've never took part in one before but would very much like to, so I'm in.

Ahhh, another Script Club...cool.  I'm way in for sure!  Just found this thread, and glad I did.

I say we should definitely do an unproduced script from someone in here that offers alot of their time and opinions, in regards to reviews, posts, and just downright help.

"Demon Beach" would have been an interesting choice, as it has just about everything you can imagine...great writing...not so great wriitng, hilarious scenes, wierd scenes, whacky characters, bizarre story, unique approach...uh...alot of stuff I guess.

Count me in, and be prepared for my usual complete and utter "pull no punches" honesty in what I think.

I'd also say we should most likely wait until the final corpse has hit the deck on the SS Craven...but we should come up with some options for the new featured Script Club script.

AYYEEEEE...  

Quoted from NiK Why don't you be our hostess? You got my vote

I'm not so sure I did that good last time. This is still a fairly new idea and we don't seem to have a solid format to follow...

DS, I'm glad you're planning on participating.
I would like to do Demon Beach too... maybe we can wait a couple of weeks for Michael to finish his? Would be a nice little present to go with his excellent handling of the KILLER GAME and his new moderator status.  

Quoted from Mr.Z If by “twist his arm” you mean a private strip on webcam, I’m good. Seriously, I’m flattered that my name was dropped, but the script you’re talking about needs a very serious rewrite, and I wouldn’t want to receive feedback on things I already know aren’t working. It's far from "finished", despite the fact that I typed "Fade out". Thanks for considering my work, though.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that "Fade Out" really DOES MEAN: Fade out- for awhile anyways... until... until... I don't know what the hell I'm talking about...

FADE OUT!

Sandra

We should throw a party to celebrate Michael's moderator status:

Hey-Yeah- ... And to make it real...

I say we all get naked! That will work with Dreamscale's new killer ideas!

INSIDE BUSHE'S HEAD:

LADIES: Haute-Couture:

SURROUNDING HIM LIKE CHRISTMAS MORNING- OOOH!

INSERT:

...........

What the...

Calm down there Sandra...everything's OK.  Just relax.

I've missed previous script club posts.  I would like to join in.  

How about a feature from a moderator?

You know how hard it is to read that and not go suggesting something?

I did have to ponder it though, since most moderator scripts tend to be read to death, and I did come up with something (conceitedly, it is one of my own). I have one that is a no-budget wonder that I plan on shooting sometime within the next six months. It hasn't been read too much to speak of on the boards, and I planned on hedging my way through once more before tearing it apart to plan shooting it. It's on the drama board, and it's called JAGGED. It clocks out to all of 78 pages, so it's not too long.

This time next year, you'll be able to watch it (provided all goes as I plan). I know that's a shamelessly self-promotional plug, but if we don't promote ourselves, God knows, no one else will.  Thought I'd throw that out in case it draws any interest.

Works for me, George.  Nothing wrong with a little self promoting in my book.

I don't think I've ever read anything of yours...

I don't think it has to be a moderator's script, but I know George and I have read a lot of his scripts. I know he knows his way around the art of writing a screenplay.

I think it would be a great help if we all helped George write the best script possible since he will film it. That's what we should be doing. Helping each other. Cheer each other on and when possible help our fellow writers succeed.

We can do Captain Cornetto's next and maybe one of mine I'm planning to film after that.  

Sounds like a plan Hostess Pia.

George first, then Captain Cornetto, and then Pia.  I would add my name on the end.  But my feature is confusing without the artwork.  Think David Lynch.

Ps, love the new avatar Pia, wow.

I think that sounds good.  Let's do George's script.

No problem with me. If George's script -- then be it.

Javier i always wanted to ask you. What the hell of a monkey is that?

Quoted from Shelton Where has he been?  If we do an unproduced script, it's very beneficial if the writer is around.

Mike sent me an e-mail saying he's been pretty busy with a lot of things.

He hasn't had enough time for the internet, but he's told me he plans to start posting again soon.

He says hello to everybody. lol

Okay, since I seem to be the hostess here. We'll kick this one off tomorrow and we'll give it a week before postings on the script will start. That way we'll give all interested parties a chance to read and digest the chosen script before discussion starts.  

Thanks you all for your interest and participation!  

Which script has ben chosen?

Quoted from NiK No problem with me. If George's script -- then be it. Javier i always wanted to ask you. What the hell of a monkey is that?

That monkey is me after a night out in the town.

Not sure really.

Quoted from Dreamscale Which script has ben chosen?

http://www.simplyscripts.net/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-drama/m-1129852695/s-0/

I have never read this one, either, though I am quite familiar with the Willson library of works.  Hope I can find the time to participate.

Quoted from Our Hostess ...we'll give it a week before postings on the script will start...

Please adhere to this, Pia, and do not start the thread for a while -- or start it, then have a Mod lock it until you are actually ready to begin.

With some of the past threads, people who read it right away were off and running -- and by the time people who took a bit longer to read were ready to join in -- the conversation was essentially over.

Thanks for the link bert.  I'm reading it now.  On page 23 and enjoying it.

EDIT:  I've finished it.

I guess I will be able to participate this time afterall.

Well, I'm on pins and needles. I'm resisting the urge to ask how slabby liked it, but I'll be good and wait...and wait and wait and wait...

And yeah, I'll participate in the coming ones to make proper payment for all the attention.

haha well, I at least finished it.  Be happy about that, George.

There's a lot of scripts on here I would start but stop because I can't get into 'em.

I feel you will benefit greatly from whoever reads and gives input on it.

I have some suggestions myself, but I shall wait too.

I hear you bert.

I'll start the new one right now, so feel free to lock it for a week.

Actually, I have to go for a bit, but will do it when I come back. What board should it be on anyway? I forgot if we did unproduced screenplay discussion or screenplay class or whatever.  

It's been on the Screenwriting Class board before, and really, that's fine. I locked the thread for its week (which I presume will mean to unlock it next Monday -- I'll try to get up early). Thanks again for picking one of mine. Kind of an honor...

I finished reading this, ready to discuss whenever we do.  And George remember you can't join in the conversation until the host tells you it's ok.  

Quoted from George Willson It's been on the Screenwriting Class board before, and really, that's fine. I locked the thread for its week (which I presume will mean to unlock it next Monday -- I'll try to get up early). Thanks again for picking one of mine. Kind of an honor...

I think it's an honor to review a script for someone who knows "how" to shoot a film-- no matter what camera you were using or any of the other details. You are working hard and I can see and I admire someone with aspirations that lead to further action.

I know that I will never be doing any camera work, but I'm interested in learning some of the strategies and "mind work" that goes on in this process. I know the tedium you are talking about, not in the same realm, but in editing and going over the same thing again and again.

When I used to study guitar, I did the same musical sequences again and again and although tedious, there was a satisfaction-- still, it didn't change the fact that I was frustrated in those times. I remember that frustration very clearly.

I can also understand how hard it is to look at one's own work-- and know  that your vision, and what you see as your "semi- finished work" are completely different things.

...But that's the process. You need to be congratulated on your perseverance; your day in the sun will most certainly happen with your good attitude.

I'm looking forward to reading your script George. I hope I can assimilate some of your experience and brilliance and any other "iances" that exist in your world.

Sandra

No worries, Mcornetto. I'll follow the rules.

I've been in the music realm too, Sandra. Actually, I did music before writing, having played any number of instruments for different bands from school to church for the last 20 years. For the moment, my instrumentality extends to guitar, drums, piano, and bass (depending on the need of the moment). And for an added level of tedium, my day job has to do with maintaining a piece of a computer program involving some programming here and there when the code acts up. I actually enjoy digging through line after line of computer logs and then the code looking for the problem.

Just a friendly reminder to all of you who wanted to take part in this.
On Monday the 17th, we'll start ripping George's script Jagged into shreds!!!  

Please read the script JAGGED and help us provide as much helpful suggestions as possible so his film can be as good as it possibly can.  

Quoted from Grandma Bear Just a friendly reminder to all of you who wanted to take part in this. On Monday the 17th, we'll start ripping George's script Jagged into shreds!!!   Please read the script JAGGED and help us provide as much helpful suggestions as possible so his film can be as good as it possibly can.

I have read George's script and made some notes. Hopefully, I can get a few more reads on my list done this weekend.

Sandra

Excellent Sandra!!!

I'm glad you're taking part!  

Quoted from Grandma Bear Excellent Sandra!!! I'm glad you're taking part!

It's an honor to work with people of the caliber such as yours. Climbing the ladder with you is a privilege. I hope I can be of a good kind service.

Sandra

Okay people, tomorrow is the day we start "beating" up George!

I hope many of you will participate and help him make this script the best it can be!  

Damn, I haven't gotten to this one yet.  I'll see what I can do...

Damn, I forgot.

I'll be off to sleep now.  But tomorrow I'll have to read it super quick.

it's time already? Hmm I might have to give it a re-read later to freshen my memory.

Go ahead and read it. It's a short script, 80 pages or so, but it also reads fast.

I'm sure George will help everyone out with their scripts when the time comes.

Naturally... One script over a couple weeks is a pretty easy quota to keep up with.

Quoted from George Willson Naturally... One script over a couple weeks is a pretty easy quota to keep up with.

Then there's no reason I shouldn't have time for this one.  I have not read anything of George's yet...so I'm pretty excited to check it out....and since George wrote it I'm sure I will learn quite a bit.   

I'll give it a read in the next few days. Looking forward to it.

~m~

I haven't heard from anyone, so we are still looking for a new host/hostess!

Morgan...?

Huh?  haven't heard from anyone?  There's 40 some posts here!  What am I missing here?

You must have missed the deleted posts..

What Pia...you are the hostess with the most...est!

Are you asking me????????

Uh...yeah...if they're deleted, how would one know anything about them?

What's going on?

Keep your eye on the screen...Pia you have me laughing! lol

Someone suggested something about using a host that can lead this into something that might actually be useful to the author .... or something like that....

I tried to get someone else to be the host, but....

Anyway, I'm out of it now. Someone else needs to finish and in the future maybe George can be the host since he's the mod of these boards anyway.

Discussion went off track (my fault), and I cleaned it out.

What the Hell is going on in here?  My posts are disappearing.

What's happening?

Ok, the deleted posts had to do with someone commenting about the direction of the discussion which led Pia to feel like her ability to lead the group is being questioned. As such, she has asked for someone else to do it. Given that it's on the Screenwriting Class board, it's actually most appropriate if I took the reigns.

I split the posts related to this topic off the Jagged post and onto the Script Club thread, so that post can stay on topic, and this one can discuss the general aspects of the exercise, which I've liked since it began. I just hadn't been around enough to be a part of it.

However, I'm more present at this point, so I don't mind taking care of it, so Pia can have that much less stress in her life. With 3 hot young blondes to care for, she's got a lot of stress...

I have been actively moving them to the Script Club post. They are still intact, though. You people post too dang fast...

Quoted from MBCgirl Keep your eye on the screen...Pia you have me laughing! lol

Morgan dear, I'm pretty far from laughing....

Yeah, well my post had nothing to do with the host and was more of a blanket statement over things ending up all over the place and making it that much more difficult for the writer to respond after a substantial period of time, but alright.

Pia, relax.  Whatever was said doesn't matter.  I don't see anything wrong with what you're doing at all.  I was actually going to comment earlier that I wish when my Fade to White was done, there was some semblance of fomat like you're doing here.  I think you're doing a great job, personally...I really mean that.

People don’t realize how nerve-racking it is to host one of these things until they’ve done it. It’s almost impossible to keep a discussion on track and people who have never hosted one think it’s much easier than it is. Hang in there Pia.


Breanne

Quoted from Breanne Mattson People don’t realize how nerve-racking it is to host one of these things until they’ve done it. It’s almost impossible to keep a discussion on track and people who have never hosted one think it’s much easier than it is. Hang in there Pia. Breanne

This is so and it rings true no matter what milieu you're involved in.

Looking at something on the surface always is easy. Doesn't seem like a hard thing at all. But then when  you start studying, you learn the tricks of the trade.

Maybe you're learning how to lay gravel for the foundation of your garage. Maybe you're learning how to make a sourdough starter. Maybe  you're learning how to calm a patient in the hospital with your mind power. Whatever it is, there is knowledge and technique involved and it's always a Helluva job!!!!!

Pia, don't feel bad. I missed the discussion that went on, but this is what I think:

You are a high minded woman who is troubled by a polarity issue.

Some of the most intelligent people that have lived have suffered the same; so embrace the fact and know that many of us are extremely thankful to be in your company!!!

Sandra

I agree!!  Whole heartedly...I like very much how you broke down the topic points we would talk about Pia...and it is true that it is hard for anyone to maintain absolute control.  

When I wrote the message about you having me laughing Pia...I thought YOU were deleting the posts   It amused me...now I undertand your frustration...

My sincere apologies to Pia and to the thread...I'm sorry...I got carried away and posted comments that were not appropriate on the actual class thread.  Now I understand they belong here.

Slap me silly or senseless    I deserve it.

** Doing his best Stanley Kowalski imitation **

PIA!!! PIA!!!

Maybe you are right Dreamscale...(responding to your last post over on the jagged page)  It does however need a re-write...I'm willing to go shopping for decorations for that tree!

It does appear that Jagged is winding down. We don't want to run this into the ground, so let the discussions begin over what to do next. Somewhere back on this thread, there was a discussion of doing something by Mcornetto, by Pia, and a script called "Demon Beach". We'll figure out a good time frame to do the next one and all with the Shiva game coming up.

Personally, I'm game for any time, but for now, we can brainstorm a future script to read. Once we have the script and time frame nailed down, we'll follow the same basic format as before...a week to read and a week (or however long or short it takes) to discuss it. I know I appreciated the comments and Jagged will be that much better as a result, so I'm eager to share the wealth.