Quoted from Murphy When used in the video store shelf way it is an anti-genre. Red Light Green Light Orange Light All 'Lights' A white light is rarely called a 'white light' it is usually called just a 'light'. Ask someone to shine a light on something you are expecting a normal white light. If they shine a red light you are gonna say "i never asked for a red light did I?" So a 'light' becomes a genre of a white light colour, but that does not mean that the other colour lights are not 'lights'. They are just a 'light' with a genre, the white light does not have a genre.

So much for bowing out, hey, Murphy?

You see a movie as being a drama by default or an anti-genre, as you put it, if it’s not clearly horror, comedy or sci-fi. I think you're laboring under the assumption that I'm failing to see your point of view. I see it, but I just don't agree with it.
  
Hold a white light up next to a blue and green light and ask people what the colors of the lights are. They'll say white, blue and green. They won't say, "anti blue and green, blue and green."  

Quoted from dogglebe Fine, the next OWC will be horror....

Ack!  Now it can't be horror!

How you twist my words, you cursed, Machiavellian dog-fiend!!

Quoted from bert Ack!  Now it can't be horror! How you twist my words, you cursed, Machiavellian dog-fiend!!

Of course, if the next one was horror, then the October was couldn't be horror.

And you thought it was easy organizing this thing.


Phil

Quoted from Takeshi So much for bowing out, hey, Murphy?

INT. GARY"S OFFICE - MORNING

Gary bows out of the conversation with his tail between his legs. He closes the blinds, turns off the light and closes the door behind him.  

FADE OUT:

I thought this was supposed to be "fun" and a "challenge" not who wants to sell a short to some teenager with a camera.

Horror is a popular genre. The only reason it is popular is because anybody can do it and they do but it's never good.

I would rather harder genre/themes but ones that don't make it so that all the scripts are similar like this one. Maybe it was hard but it also had similar scripts all around and that's never good.

People will always complain and I will be here to complain about them complaining so eventually we can have some fun and peace or a lot of deleted posts but I prefer fun and peace.

To put a cap on this one...

Drama is a genre. We all know this (right, Murph'?). End of discussion.

Iro. OWC, stick to the given genre and theme or submit your script the "regular" way.

Quoted from sniper To put a cap on this one... Drama is a genre. We all know this (right, Murph'?). End of discussion. Iro. OWC, stick to the given genre and theme or submit your script the "regular" way.

Sure thing Sniper, thanks for sorting me out. You know me, Im just a 17 year old kid, a bit wet behind the ears and not really capable of speaking for myself. Thanks for taking the time to speak on my behalf and put me right. After all what do I know? I know nothing of course.

lets crack on shall we and rip into a some fools for daring to include some horror or comedy in their drama scripts. You bastards!!!!!

Quoted from Murphy Sure thing Sniper, thanks for sorting me out. You know me, Im just a 17 year old kid, a bit wet behind the ears and not really capable of speaking for myself. Thanks for taking the time to speak on my behalf and put me right. After all what do I know? I know nothing of course. lets crack on shall we and rip into a some fools for daring to include some horror or comedy in their drama scripts. You bastards!!!!!

Wait a minute...are you being sarcastic??

Seriously though, I think the problem is that your definition of drama seems to be "anything that is dramatic", which is also one of the lexical definitions. But drama is ALSO a genre, which I don't think you really can deny without offering altertive for labelling movies like The Ice-Storm or The Sweet Hereafter. What would you call these movies?

Quoted from Death Monkey Wait a minute...are you being sarcastic?? Seriously though, I think the problem is that your definition of drama seems to be "anything that is dramatic", which is also one of the lexical definitions. But drama is ALSO a genre, which I don't think you really can deny without offering altertive for labelling movies like The Ice-Storm or The Sweet Hereafter. What would you call these movies?

Not sure I am allowed to answer this Death Monkey, but will see if I can get away with it.

I have not once denied that there are movies that are classed as only drama, I am understand the idea put here that drama is a genre - though I much prefer anti-genre.

What i have said all along is just because 'The Ice-Storm' is a drama it does not mean that 'The Shining' is not. Take the horror out of the Shining and it is a drama, take the music out of 'Chicago' and it is a drama. Or put it another way, a horror film is just a drama with horror elements, a musical is just a drama with music. So I don't think it is enough to say something must be a drama because by every single definition of the word everything is a drama.

Now you can be specific and say the genre must be drama but then we really need to understand under what circumstances a piece will cease to be considered a drama, is there a certain amount of blood? or an exact number of jokes? When does a drama with a couple of songs become a musical and not a drama?

I just think that nobody can say that any of these OWC are not drama. A well written script should have all the required elements for a drama script regardless of whether it is horror, comedy or musical. And if people here do think that then I would rather they put their money where their mouth is and tell us which ones are not drama and explain to us why so we will know in the future.

Quoted from Murphy Not sure I am allowed to answer this Death Monkey, but will see if I can get away with it. I have not once denied that there are movies that are classed as only drama, I am understand the idea put here that drama is a genre - though I much prefer anti-genre. What i have said all along is just because 'The Ice-Storm' is a drama it does not mean that 'The Shining' is not. Take the horror out of the Shining and it is a drama, take the music out of 'Chicago' and it is a drama. Or put it another way, a horror film is just a drama with horror elements, a musical is just a drama with music. So I don't think it is enough to say something must be a drama because by every single definition of the word everything is a drama. Now you can be specific and say the genre must be drama but then we really need to understand under what circumstances a piece will cease to be considered a drama, is there a certain amount of blood? or an exact number of jokes? When does a drama with a couple of songs become a musical and not a drama? I just think that nobody can say that any of these OWC are not drama. A well written script should have all the required elements for a drama script regardless of whether it is horror, comedy or musical. And if people here do think that then I would rather they put their money where there mouth is and tell us which ones are not drama and explain to us why so we will know in the future.

I hear you. I get what you're saying about drama being an anti-genre, but then it's still a genre. If you add horror to a drama then it's no longer a drama, exactly because we then define the GENRE drama as being "that which is without". So if you're tasked to write a drama, then if you rely on horror elements or comedic elements, you're no longer dealing with a drama.

Like I said before a genre is much easier to recognize than to define, so naturally there's no arbitrary quota of blood or jokes that will universally turn something into a comedy or horror, but nonetheless most people will agree that The Others is horror while Freddy Got fingered is a comedy, even though there's much more gore in the latter (and fewer jokes...).

Which is why for the purposes of a OWC when the genre is drama, it's sort of defeating the purpose to go "Well technically everything is drama, so my script is too!" when hopefully all participants know what a drama looks like even if there isn't a surefire way to prove genres. You can't prove something is rock'n roll but if you were asked to bring rock'n roll CDs to school you wouldn't bring Miles Davis, even though you can't prove that he's not rock'n roll.

Quoted from Old Time Wesley I thought this was supposed to be "fun" and a "challenge" not who wants to sell a short to some teenager with a camera.

How much of a challenge is this when the rules aren't followed?  I remember the science fiction OWC we had where the theme was 'popcorn.  One person wrote a sci-fi script took place on a spaceship whose name was Popcorn...  And it was only mentioned once!

The idea of this game is to see if you can write under tight guidelines.  If you can't, then don't enter.

Quoted from Murphy A well written script should have all the required elements for a drama script regardless of whether it is horror, comedy or musical. And if people here do think that then I would rather they put their money where their mouth is and tell us which ones are not drama and explain to us why so we will know in the future.

It's one thing to include the elements of other genres, but you have to remember what the core genre is and work with that.


Phil

Quoted from Death Monkey but if you were asked to bring rock'n roll CDs to school you wouldn't bring Miles Davis, even though you can't prove that he's not rock'n roll.

That is where my mind works differently then DM, Because I would say anyone who asked someone to bring a rock 'n roll CD to school and then proceeds to judge people on their interpretation of what constitutes rock 'n roll is asking for trouble. If they want to limit it to 50's 3 chord guitar rock then that is what they should have asked for in the first place.

Quoted from dogglebe It's one thing to include the elements of other genres, but you have to remember what the core genre is and work with that.

But that is my point Phil, it is absolutely impossible to write a script that has characters and it not be a drama regardless of what genre it is.

Quoted from Murphy That is where my mind works differently then DM, Because I would say anyone who asked someone to bring a rock 'n roll CD to school and then proceeds to judge people on their interpretation of what constitutes rock 'n roll is asking for trouble. If they want to limit it to 50's 3 chord guitar rock then that is what they should have asked for in the first place.

But how can you function in real life with that sort of relativistic attitude? When someone tells you to bring rock music to a party would you EVER bring Bach? Would you ever bring Britney Spears?

It seems kinda contrarian to me. You can go around and say "you can't prove it's not rock'n roll" all you want, but you must KNOW what people mean, right?

White and black aren't technically colors, but nobody would ever ask for a colorless car. White is a color by virtue of the fact that everyone recognizes it as such. Same goes for drama as a genre.

I guess if you don't recognize the (albeit arbitrary) boundaries of genre, why would you participate in a achallenge that specifically asks you to confine yourself without them? You must know there's a point to there being the limitation of drama, right?

Quoted from Murphy Of course I do DM, and I am never actually put forward a OWC. But drama is a pretty weak genre to put forward for the OWC and I do not think it is fair for people to be slating anybodies work for not being a drama when by definition every single script in the OWC is a drama anyway. We really have to agree to disagree here and you need to stop asking me questions so I can stop answering them. I am man enough to take it on the chin and will still respect you in the morning Goodnight.

Are you coming on to me?




Okay I'm done.