Quoted from mcornetto Opression is opression whether you think it's ridiculous or not.  I'm sure the oppressors always think the oppressed make ridiculous accusations.  Do you think the Nazi's paid any attention to complaints from the Jews?  Do you think they cared?  Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner and sometimes those wolves are pretty famished.

You still haven't answered my questions. Are paedophiles being oppressed?

Quoted from Takeshi Paedophiles harm children who have no say in what is happening.

I notice how you qualified the harm...
How about children who have a say?

Michael, I understand what you're saying, and I'm not questioning the valiidity of your quotes and statements...as well as your feelings.  I'm really not.  You're sounding like I'm now the enemy, and trust me on this...I'm not.

You didn't address my example at all, and I'm looking forward to your thoughts on it...cause it's not that far out there, and  in many ways, draws parallels to the whole "let me be me in publkic and fuck everyone that hs a problem with it" thing.

If a man wants to marry a man...if a girl wants to marry a girl...fine...coll.  let it be.  I have no issue with that.  If they're good people, they're good people.

No reason to get angry and start screaming about oppression, IMO.  If you really get down on it, I think you'll realize that everyone has been oppressed, when it really gets down to the nitty gritty.  That's the way it is...right now.  Things change, and things change for a reason.

What comes around, goes around...

Can't we all just learn to get along?

Quoted from JamminGirl You still haven't answered my questions. Are paedophiles being oppressed?

I would be glad to answer your question about paedophiles...in a thread that deals with that subject.  So start a thread on that subject and if it's still around when I return then I will answer your question.

Start at 2:54.



And we're still talking about this nonsense nearly fifteen years later.

Interesting deflection there. We are speaking about sexuality. It is your contention that homosexuals were oppressed. This is as if homosexuals are a separate, propagating people instead of individuals with a specific sexual proclivity. Until very recently(in modern history), there was no large "group" of homosexual people calling themselves a community.
Homosexuality is not unlike any other type of non-heterosexual propensity, in terms of being seen as undesireable and distasteful by most societies/cultures. My question within this thread is therefore valid. What makes homosexuality now more nobel than paedophilia, incest or beastiality? I know the "consentual adult" line is often used, but what about the man who has sex with his mother or adult daughter? How are such partnering viewed and what makes it less desireable than a man inserting his member in another man's fecal outlet?
My own contention is marketing. Homosexuality is very very well marketed. When, not if, these other areas of sexuality gets marketed we will be having similar arguments and similar cries of "oppression".

Quoted from JamminGirl What makes homosexuality now more nobel than paedophilia, incest or beastiality? I know the "consentual adult" line is often used, but what about the man who has sex with his mother or adult daughter? How are such partnering viewed and what makes it less desireable than a man inserting his member in another man's fecal outlet?

As long as the man having sex with his mother or adult daughter have their permission, there is no problem the way I see it. Same thing with a woman who has her German Shepherd have sex with her. Social constructs keep incest and beastiality as off-limits taboo, the way homosexuality was one hundred of two hundred years ago. Maybe over time, this will also change.

Orientation is a tricky subject, because no one exactly knows what causes a person to be either straight or gay, or any other tangent of sexuality. Nature or nurture, does it really make a difference? Shouldn't we be focussed on treating these people better and understanding their emotional viewpoint rather than wasting time figuring out why they are the way they are?

Wooooo...so...Matt, are you saying that you honeslty have no problem when mothers and sons have sex?  When fathers and daughters have sex?  When borthers and sisters and mothers and fathers all, engage in sex?

Are you frickin' kidding me?

Unreal...simply unreaL!!!!!

Quoted from JamminGirl I notice how you qualified the harm... How about children who have a say?

Yeah. I guess it goes without saying that it's harmful.

If someone is under the age of consent then they don't know better and they can be psychologically fucked up for the rest of their lives by having sex with an adult.

I'm saying that I have no problem with it, yes. Homosexuality, incest and beastiality (as much as I'm against lumping the three together) are complex issues. There are a lot of emotional, biological and psychological things going on and unless we have personally experienced those emotions there's no way for us to fully understand what people in those kinds of relationships are feeling. Therefor, I think we should just leave them alone.

True happiness is the rarest of things in the world. If a father and daughter find that with each other then I think it's only right for them to hold onto it.

No one on earth has the right to tell another person what or how to feel.

Quoted from chism As long as the man having sex with his mother or adult daughter have their permission, there is no problem the way I see it. Same thing with a woman who has her German Shepherd have sex with her. Social constructs keep incest and beastiality as off-limits taboo, the way homosexuality was one hundred of two hundred years ago. Maybe over time, this will also change. Orientation is a tricky subject, because no one exactly knows what causes a person to be either straight or gay, or any other tangent of sexuality. Nature or nurture, does it really make a difference? Shouldn't we be focussed on treating these people better and understanding their emotional viewpoint rather than wasting time figuring out why they are the way they are?

Matt, you're homosexual but you listen to my POV with some understanding, this is not common among proponents of homosexuality...
But I'll ask you this, when other aspects of sexuality manifests, what can you see? What will the results be, do you think?

Whoa....

As a PETA member, I must object!!!  

Maybe this thread has run its course?...

Quoted from Takeshi Yeah. I guess it goes without saying that it's harmful. If someone is under the age of consent then they don't know better they can be psychologically fucked up for the rest of their lives by having sex with an adult.

So you're position is different from Matt's on the basis of "age"?(which is not an accurate measure of maturity, btw). So you have your own personal rationale as to why paedophilia is not acceptable while homosexuality is...

Funny!  I too, love animlas...but not in that way.

Matt, I'm a bit shocked at your comments,

I'm actually quite surprised that no one else is commenting on what you just said, very frankly...

This is a relatively easy topic for me.

I don't give a fuck. Lol. Seriously.

I don't care if you're gay or straight. If there were a vote on gay marriage (which there was where I live), and if I voted (which I refuse to), I'd be for it in the sense that I'm not against it. Basically, to me, that means I have no right to tell people they can't marry. They can't be happy together. But, voting against it would restrict them and I don't believe that's fair of me.

So, when it comes down to it, I'm with them rather than against them.