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Scientology is no less negative or silly as any other religion.
It is the only one that when you hear the story, you laugh out loud but still about as believable as any other.
The idea of the contest is funny however if it is legit they shouldn't run it as anonymous and ask for all your information just to enter the contest (Only if you win) seems kind of odd to me.
Can't say I agree. But I take the point. Seriously I do. Part of me does agree. However, there is something seriously wrong with Scientology, I have studied their litigious behaviour, their tactics against complaints and their behaviour against detractors, Anonymous and Legion in particular.
Islam, RC Church of Rome etc don't behave in quite the same way. And we all know about the Catholic's current troubles with fiddling and Ireland. See Newsarse for details for their plan of action.
I can't see a problem with the competition at all. Hey, make Youtube vids? Yeah? Then go here and peiss these eejits off and, get paid!
Scientology is no less negative or silly as any other religion.
It is the only one that when you hear the story, you laugh out loud but still about as believable as any other.
The idea of the contest is funny however if it is legit they shouldn't run it as anonymous and ask for all your information just to enter the contest (Only if you win) seems kind of odd to me.
Seems kind of odd to me that someone thinks "religion" is silly.
Sandra Elstee
As in:
DorkoJorko Who are those humans?
Sandra People that don't believe in themselves.
DorkoJorko What do you mean... Don't believe in themselves?
Scientology is no less negative or silly as any other religion.
It is the only one that when you hear the story, you laugh out loud but still about as believable as any other.
The idea of the contest is funny however if it is legit they shouldn't run it as anonymous and ask for all your information just to enter the contest (Only if you win) seems kind of odd to me.
You're right of course. The origin story is not more absurd than most of the things found in religious texts.
However we're fortunate enough to have seen the genesis of scientology and know that it's just a pyramid scheme.
I would say most scientologists are benevolent, it's just that there are darker sides to these things as there tends to be with most organised religions.
They are also extraordinarily powerful. Because of the sheer amount of money they control and the power they have over peoples minds, they are able to infiltrate Government at all levels and push through policy to further legitimise and entrech themselves.
Personally I woudl take the German approach and ban them,but it's too late for that now in the UK.
To be honest, at times I think we should just ban religion full stop in Europe. Can't believe that some many Political debates and issues are still about Theology in this day and age. We seem to be sliding back into the Dark Ages at times.
To be honest, at times I think we should just ban religion full stop in Europe.
Why just Europe?
I'd have to agree with W, Scientology really is no more ridiculous that most religions, especially when you put it up against things like Mormons and their magic underwear and what not. I guess Scientology is just more overtly funny and outlandish, but as Bill Maher says the newer religions always are more insane because by the time they get to the trough all the good crazy has been taken.
But I don't think the story of Xenu dropping billions of aliens into volcanoes and blasting them with H-bombs is any more insane and ridiculous than an invisible sky god raping an Earth woman and impregnating her with himself so he can send himself on a suicide mission.
But I think Alan Shore says it better than I ever could.
I'd have to agree with W, Scientology really is no more ridiculous that most religions, especially when you put it up against things like Mormons and their magic underwear and what not. I guess Scientology is just more overtly funny and outlandish, but as Bill Maher says the newer religions always are more insane because by the time they get to the trough all the good crazy has been taken.
But I don't think the story of Xenu dropping billions of aliens into volcanoes and blasting them with H-bombs is any more insane and ridiculous than an invisible sky god raping an Earth woman and impregnating her with himself so he can send himself on a suicide mission.
But I think Alan Shore says it better than I ever could.
I wouldn't want to dictate what other cultures should do, but I feel able to voice an opinion about my own.
I don't have a problem with people believing what they want in the comfort of their own homes, but when Religion becomes a huge structure it becomes harmful in my opinion, because it seeks to control the thought processes of everyone. They all invest large amounts of money in order to force Governments to bow to their wishes (eg teaching Creationism in British schools). They are constantly involved in an ideological war trying to pervert humanity's progress.
Religion set back our progress by hundreds of years until the invention of the printing press made it possible to disseminate information faster than the Church could burn people at the stake just for telling the truth.
Often people twist Religious texts for political agendas or selfish means. Even those with good intentions interpret things differently. In the end even the simplest, most seemingly obvious point of principle can be interpreted to mean anything you want it to do.
Perversions end up in the texts and become part of standard practice.
Look at the Child abuse scandal involving the Catholic Church. That is a DIRECT result of their teachings.
They create the Virgin Mary. A paragon of womanhood who is impossible to live up to. It is sexist because no woman can aspire to it, it's physically impossible
It also creates the situation whereby sexual purity is held in esteem and therefore female sexuality becomes seen as perverse and dirty.
The men then try and deny their most fundamental sexual instincts, the need to procreate, and attempt to live a chaste life. Psychologically this is incredibly dangerous as we have seen. The instincts will merely come out in another way, often the most corrupt and heinous way imaginable.
The problem isn't just confined to Catholicism, similar perversions are found in almost all religions. Eg the separation of Muslims from non-Muslims in the Koran, a tenement of the religion that can only logically lead to conflict and intolerance for all time.
In the end, in order to be a good person, it seems that you at the very least have to discount large parts of any given scripture, but of course, once you are putting yourself in a position whereby you are judging for yourself what is right and what is wrong, you are already by definition discounting the "correctness" of that particular Religion.
Anyway, Peace and Love. Sorry if anyone is offended.
PS If anyone wants to commune with God, I'd suggest doing what most Prophets seem to do and just go out into the wilderness for a certain time. Whether it's up a Mountain, or in a cave or in the desert. No point reading it second hand.
I don't have a problem with people believing what they want in the comfort of their own homes, but when Religion becomes a huge structure it becomes harmful in my opinion, because it seeks to control the thought processes of everyone. They all invest large amounts of money in order to force Governments to bow to their wishes (eg teaching Creationism in British schools). They are constantly involved in an ideological war trying to pervert humanity's progress.
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are constantly involved in an ideological war, trying to pervert humanity's progress.
Dec,
You are a sweetheart, in my mind, but I'm going to take your quote and run with it...
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The early portion of your words:
...but when Religion becomes a huge structure it becomes harmful in my opinion,
It seems the problem is:
That it's NOT religion that is this huge structure that is becoming harmful right now-- but rather "secularism".
We live in a world of limits. I mean: where twenty degrees Celsius is comfortable.
Religion imposes laws and limits. If we don't like them, then that's our problem.
Which hearkens back to what you've said:
...but when Religion becomes a huge structure it becomes harmful in my opinion,
My question is:
What is the harm in "Structure"?
My inner feeling is that "Religion" isn't the problem, but it's "Secularism"-- that is the problem.
When we reject the consideration for boundaries, then we reject life. Why?
Because life is built on the basis of polarities and that means we must have opposites.
In this world, we need both religion and secularism; therefore there exists no argument in actuality, but only in virtuality.
Being secular doesn't mean that there are no boundaries, that's ridiculous. We assign boundaries to ourselves. We don't need God to tell us what is right or wrong. Just because we don't think life was started by an invisible man living in space doesn't mean that we reject life. That's a statement that is completely typical of the arrogance and condescending nature of religion. "You can't be as happy as I am, because I've found Jesus and you haven't". Give me a fuckin' break.
The problem is that some people simply don't want to fit into this "structure" that religion imposes. The harm in overgrown "structures" of any kind is that they put boundaries in our freedom in one way or another.
This does not only apply to religion, but to many different social problems like the abortion issue, the gay marriage debate, etc. All of which are at their core Religious and Political issues. This is the reason why politics and religion are pointless to argue and debate about. No one willl change his/her mind about it and the result is only useless bickering. This is the reason nobody can ever reach a friggin' agreenment in public schools as if whether or not people should say prayers in graduation ceremonies and the like.
The government, I feel, is a necessary evil to maintain a degree of order in an otherwise wild society. But religion, the way it is now, is nothing more than a perverted, evil and worthless thing causing troubles which would not exist without it. Churches, all of them, are organized more as businesses than centers of faith nowadays, anyway. I'm all for believing in God and whatnot, but don't try to shove your beliefs down people's throats. I do believe in God, but if anyone knocked on my door reading me fragments of the Bible, I would slam it in their faces...not politely, either.
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In the end, in order to be a good person, it seems that you at the very least have to discount large parts of any given scripture, but of course, once you are putting yourself in a position whereby you are judging for yourself what is right and what is wrong, you are already by definition discounting the "correctness" of that particular Religion.
Exactly my thoughts. All ancient holy scriptures are perverse and bigoted in one way or another. Some have also been tainted further by men who had no business doing so in the first place ...
[*cough*King James*cough*homophobe*cough*]
...Yeah, ain't I subtle?
I simply cannot believe some of the more religious people out there who are intolerant of bigotry and violence when their Bible not only advocates it but ENCOURAGES it. Hypocrisy at its finest. Now, of course, this could simply boil down to fanatism, and people like that would exist with or without religion.
But what's sad about this is that the good Catholics/Christians that reject the bigoted, sexist content of the Bible are essentially rejecting their religion by going against the Bible's word. Thus, true goodness can never be achieved from any holy scipture, but rather through the actions of individuals forging their own path to virtue with the choices they make in everyday life. One needs no holy book for that.
But yeah, like I said -- never argue politics or religion. People always get angry and upset at one another at one point if you do. Damn...I really should follow my own advice.
Being secular doesn't mean that there are no boundaries, that's ridiculous. We assign boundaries to ourselves. We don't need God to tell us what is right or wrong. Just because we don't think life was started by an invisible man living in space doesn't mean that we reject life. That's a statement that is completely typical of the arrogance and condescending nature of religion. "You can't be as happy as I am, because I've found Jesus and you haven't". Give me a fuckin' break.
I didn't use the name "Jesus" in my post.
Te-he!!! But YOU DID.
I wonder what THAT means.
Laugh out Loud--
Matt Chisholm says,
Just because we don't think life was started by an invisible man living in space doesn't mean that we reject life. That's a statement that is completely typical of the arrogance and condescending nature of religion. "You can't be as happy as I am, because I've found Jesus and you haven't". Give me a fuckin' break.
My question is:
Do you you have a marvelous answer to "How life was started?"
In all honesty, I think creationism and science both have some merit. Science can be proven and calculated, as opposed to creationism which is only based on faith. But quite frankly, neither of them satisfy me, so I believe in both in the meantime. Seriously, the question for me is not so much "how life was started," but rather "why" and "for which purpose?" Neither theory makes any sense to me whatsoever. With creationism, life involves man-made concepts like salvation, paradise and whatnot; but that still explains nothing. Science is simply hollow and its only explanation is "how we are here?" But WHY? That is the true question. What is the point of "intelligent beings" being placed on a planet only to suffer an ongoing mysery known as life with a few pleasurable, tender moments throughout? It makes no sense whatsoever. Ah, now I'm confusing myself.
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