Quoted from SAC When I was a wee lad in 1977 my Dad took me to see A New Hope. We were both amazed at the time, wound up taking my Mother later on. We all loved it. Fast forward to... The Force Awakens, and having the opportunity to take my six-year old to see it. When "A long time ago..." came onto the screen I knew I was done for. I actually loved it -- I felt it was a good place to start and JJ Abrams actually did a nice job with it. Then again, I'm a sap. A sucker for an emotional moment, and this had it. I'm just hoping JJ can do it again and give this a fitting ending.

That's what has always made Star Wars so important. It really perfectly captures - and arguably created - the difference between movie and film. And all that means for cinema experience.

Quoted from James McClung You asked. Most definitely.   Hopefully, fans can catch a break with the new one though. Even from the sidelines, the new films seem increasingly mired with discontent. And having already suffered through the whole prequel trilogy, no less. Rogue One seems to be a crowd pleaser at least.

Haha! You know you'll be going to that multiplex!

Quoted from Scar Tissue Films The worst thing about Star Wars is all the absolute bell ****s, including mainstream press, who have to plaster spoilers everywhere. I got stung on Facebook an hour before my show time, this time major spoilers are already everywhere.

Can see why Nolan is so on top of secrecy on sets. In today's world Empire would've been ruined. Imagine a spoiler like that being revealed.

That's absolutely hilarious.

Quoted from Scar Tissue Films In other news, Thrawn, considered by many to be the greatest Star Wars villain of all, is officially canon again. If anyone wants me to post a quick summary, let me know. I don't think you can white text on here, so there may be major spoilers for those that just watch the films.

I'll bite, Rick. Spoil it for me.

Never been one to read a lot of books or comics, I did however play some of the Star Wars videogames. Knights of the Old Republic is absolutely fantastic and still one of the best stories in all of Star Wars, at least in my opinion.

Quoted from Scar Tissue Films That's absolutely hilarious.

Conspiracy time... it’s Lucas deep faking himself!

Enjoy.

The Force Awakens is infinitely re-watchable and I have done so, that does not make it good but it says the movie isn't bad.

Here's an opinion from the guy who cried during the trailer of Deadpool... Star Wars is not a mind blowing epic series  of the best films ever made.

It's good, not great and most of it is average and overrated but I love it for all the flaws.

Can you ruin a series by making more lore?  I want the old republic and no more skywalkers.

I watched Rogue One the other night.

Surprised by how much I liked it on a second viewing.

The ending is beautifully done, and it felt like a much better template for future Star Wars movies than The Last Jedi.

Because I'm a geek with no life, I'm watching a Force Awakens, Last Jedi and Rise triumvirate on Wednesday. Be interesting to see the trilogy in one go like that.

To me they actually f***** it up with TFA. The premise, regarding the foregone circumstances, was just not reflected well and have been falsely interpreted imo.

We left with the Republic winning, right?? But then they present a completely different world: The dark side is better than ever - the Jedi and their secrets are hidden in a cringe-worthy temple where even spies are welcome. They literally lie on the ground.

This felt completely illogical, as if they couldn't find a growing threat coming from the 'dark side', while the 'world' has actually gone fine.

No. They've put it completely upside down. The Force has had to awaken of course -  and the dark side owns a new 'Death Star Planet' already. Cheap storytelling, effective garbage.

I'm at work and bored, so forgive my upcoming rant.

HUGE Star Wars fan growing up. I mean, I have a huge box of open figures sitting in my closet cause I actually played with them. I was super excited for a new trilogy and had high hopes when it was first announced as the prequels really have not aged well and I wanted to see what could be done with the universe once George was gone. Huge respect for him and all he's done, but Episodes 1-3 are all on him cause he had so much control in every aspect of their creation.

Loved The Force Awakens. It was fun, had a sense of adventure, and felt more like the original trilogy than the prequels, even if intentional, still not a bad thing. When the film first came out I remember how excited everybody was to see where Finn, Rey, and Poe would go next as they were likable. Kylo was interesting as a spoiled brat type villain and the film left a lot of mystery for the franchise to explore going forward. What happened to Luke? Who is Snoke? Who is Rey? How is she so powerful? What happens to the galaxy after the new Republic was destroyed?

Jump to the Last Jedi and it just shit bricks all over everything.

First of all, from a screenwriter's perceptive, the film's plot is inexcusably a circle. The film starts with the Resistance on the run from the FO after a huge defeat, we know nothing of Snoke or Rey's origins, and Luke is a non factor. Fast forward to the end and the Resistance is still on the run from a huge defeat, we know nothing about Rey and Snoke, and Luke is again a non factor. It's 2 hours of nothing changing.

The next big mistake is that TLJ literally takes places 24-48 hours after TFA. There's no time to tell an epic story and let events prior breathe when we are rushing to pick up right after the last film ended and it causes soooooo many problems. Why make this choice in the first place? What about TLJ's story would force you to continue right after TFA that you had to pick up right where it leaves off? It does so little to advance the story that it's forgettable. I have no doubt fans will be able to watch ep VII into IX with much of the story still intact.

To make matters worse, the film totally ignores the events that literally just happened which is dumbfounding given the choice to deliberately begin where it does. For example:

Poe just saved the day for everybody by blowing up Starkiller base yesterday, yet is treated like a moron here by everybody for no reason.

The galactic government was just obliterated, (5 planets destroyed!) and nobody even notices or cares. Holy hell, the people on the Casino planet either haven't head the news yet or don't give a shit since it's business as usual there apparently.

When stuck in their slow motion space chase, (another screenwriting homerun) Poe comes up with the bright idea to call up Moz Kaneda for help. Problem is, Poe doesn't know who she is. Only Finn has met her before and even then fleetingly before he bailed her bar to run away.

Rey just picked up a lightsaber a day ago but with a day or two of "training" from Luke she's mowing down imperial guards and storming Star Destroyers. ??????


As mentioned above, their is no credible villain to ever put the heroes in danger. The FO has the last of the Resistance dead in their sights for the majority of the movie and does nothing about it. Excuse me, they send 3, THREE, jesus fucking Christ, 3 TIE fighters to intercept them. The yo mama joke at the beginning totally turns them into Keystone cops and also kills any tone the movie was trying to build in the first 60 seconds.

The middle act on the Casino is a perfect example of padding in a script when the writer doesn't know how to get his characters to the final act. It adds nothing to the film. Period. I mean, Finn's mission there ends in failure and doesn't push the story forward in any way. He could just stay back on the home ship for the entire film and the plot wouldn't even change.

The entire theme of the film is built up around destroying the past (with a blow torch) and moving on o something new. Commendable and that could be interesting territory if the film meant it. But alas, at the end all those themes are tossed away as we end up reinforcing the previous status quo even though the film said doing so was useless. Rey will become a Jedi and the order will live on. Without any new ideas, Kylo once assuming power just decides to keep blowing up rebels because.

Besides Kylo Ren and Luke, nobody really has much of an arc. Rey is still a Mary Sue for no good reason. Finn as mentioned is useless though he does have a "moment" in the end it's taken away from him. Rose finds love? Poe spends the film in the dog house and pretty much stays there throughout.

There's a lot more to hate on. but those are the big ones that come to mind with the script. The end result is, though I'll see Skywalker, I'm not super excited and will be glad this part of Star Wars history is done with. And I really hate seeing it limp across the finish line. But as the middle act of the larger story, TLJ just ran the franchise into a brick wall. It's the kind of story Lucasfilm would routinely turn into a comic book or video game, and as TFA 1.5 it wouldn't be so terrible. But as a stand alone film in the saga, inexcusable.

Quoted from PrussianMosby To me they actually f***** it up with TFA. The premise, regarding the foregone circumstances, was just not reflected well and have been falsely interpreted imo. We left with the Republic winning, right?? But then they present a completely different world: The dark side is better than ever - the Jedi and their secrets are hidden in a cringe-worthy temple where even spies are welcome. They literally lie on the ground. This felt completely illogical, as if they couldn't find a growing threat coming from the 'dark side', while the 'world' has actually gone fine. No. They've put it completely upside down. The Force has had to awaken of course -  and the dark side owns a new 'Death Star Planet' already. Cheap storytelling, effective garbage.

Agree. They were lazy and just wanted to hit the reset button back to the way things were in OT. Boring and it really did handicap them when starting over.

Quoted from Andrew I watched Rogue One the other night. Surprised by how much I liked it on a second viewing. The ending is beautifully done, and it felt like a much better template for future Star Wars movies than The Last Jedi.

The last hour of Rogue One is some of the best Star Wars action put on film. And the Vader scene in the corridor. Amazing.

I also really appreciated that they fixed an annoying plot hole from A New Hope and explained why the Death Star had such an idiotic design flaw.

Rogue One might just be my third favorite Star Wars film.  

Quoted from CameronD I'm at work and bored, so forgive my upcoming rant. HUGE Star Wars fan growing up. I mean, I have a huge box of open figures sitting in my closet cause I actually played with them. I was super excited for a new trilogy and had high hopes when it was first announced as the prequels really have not aged well and I wanted to see what could be done with the universe once George was gone. Huge respect for him and all he's done, but Episodes 1-3 are all on him cause he had so much control in every aspect of their creation. Loved The Force Awakens. It was fun, had a sense of adventure, and felt more like the original trilogy than the prequels, even if intentional, still not a bad thing. When the film first came out I remember how excited everybody was to see where Finn, Rey, and Poe would go next as they were likable. Kylo was interesting as a spoiled brat type villain and the film left a lot of mystery for the franchise to explore going forward. What happened to Luke? Who is Snoke? Who is Rey? How is she so powerful? What happens to the galaxy after the new Republic was destroyed? Jump to the Last Jedi and it just shit bricks all over everything. First of all, from a screenwriter's perceptive, the film's plot is inexcusably a circle. The film starts with the Resistance on the run from the FO after a huge defeat, we know nothing of Snoke or Rey's origins, and Luke is a non factor. Fast forward to the end and the Resistance is still on the run from a huge defeat, we know nothing about Rey and Snoke, and Luke is again a non factor. It's 2 hours of nothing changing. The next big mistake is that TLJ literally takes places 24-48 hours after TFA. There's no time to tell an epic story and let events prior breathe when we are rushing to pick up right after the last film ended and it causes soooooo many problems. Why make this choice in the first place? What about TLJ's story would force you to continue right after TFA that you had to pick up right where it leaves off? It does so little to advance the story that it's forgettable. I have no doubt fans will be able to watch ep VII into IX with much of the story still intact. To make matters worse, the film totally ignores the events that literally just happened which is dumbfounding given the choice to deliberately begin where it does. For example: Poe just saved the day for everybody by blowing up Starkiller base yesterday, yet is treated like a moron here by everybody for no reason. The galactic government was just obliterated, (5 planets destroyed!) and nobody even notices or cares. Holy hell, the people on the Casino planet either haven't head the news yet or don't give a shit since it's business as usual there apparently. When stuck in their slow motion space chase, (another screenwriting homerun) Poe comes up with the bright idea to call up Moz Kaneda for help. Problem is, Poe doesn't know who she is. Only Finn has met her before and even then fleetingly before he bailed her bar to run away. Rey just picked up a lightsaber a day ago but with a day or two of "training" from Luke she's mowing down imperial guards and storming Star Destroyers. ?????? As mentioned above, their is no credible villain to ever put the heroes in danger. The FO has the last of the Resistance dead in their sights for the majority of the movie and does nothing about it. Excuse me, they send 3, THREE, jesus fucking Christ, 3 TIE fighters to intercept them. The yo mama joke at the beginning totally turns them into Keystone cops and also kills any tone the movie was trying to build in the first 60 seconds. The middle act on the Casino is a perfect example of padding in a script when the writer doesn't know how to get his characters to the final act. It adds nothing to the film. Period. I mean, Finn's mission there ends in failure and doesn't push the story forward in any way. He could just stay back on the home ship for the entire film and the plot wouldn't even change. The entire theme of the film is built up around destroying the past (with a blow torch) and moving on o something new. Commendable and that could be interesting territory if the film meant it. But alas, at the end all those themes are tossed away as we end up reinforcing the previous status quo even though the film said doing so was useless. Rey will become a Jedi and the order will live on. Without any new ideas, Kylo once assuming power just decides to keep blowing up rebels because. Besides Kylo Ren and Luke, nobody really has much of an arc. Rey is still a Mary Sue for no good reason. Finn as mentioned is useless though he does have a "moment" in the end it's taken away from him. Rose finds love? Poe spends the film in the dog house and pretty much stays there throughout. There's a lot more to hate on. but those are the big ones that come to mind with the script. The end result is, though I'll see Skywalker, I'm not super excited and will be glad this part of Star Wars history is done with. And I really hate seeing it limp across the finish line. But as the middle act of the larger story, TLJ just ran the franchise into a brick wall. It's the kind of story Lucasfilm would routinely turn into a comic book or video game, and as TFA 1.5 it wouldn't be so terrible. But as a stand alone film in the saga, inexcusable.

Agree 100% with everything here. I hate The Last Jedi. Not just because of how awful it is, but because it actually killed Star Wars for me. I'm not excited about The Rise of Skywalker, just like I wasn't excited about Solo.

One thing that REALLY bugged me was how Finn was handled in The Last Jedi. Dude just had a lightsabe sliced across his back. Yet he's running around like nothing happened. He should have been the one in a coma the whole movie, not Leia.

And when Finn and Rose are on that stupid Casino planet, they completely ignore those poor slave children so they can save the retarded space horses. WTF!? This kind of stupid hurts my brain.

Still bored at work. Looong and slow day as the kids get ready for finals and winter break, lol

So since I have little to do, if Disney paid me, here's how I'd script out TLJ considering what was set up in TFA. Also, I have seen none of the Skywalker spoilers out there so if anything matches up, it's pure coincidence.

I'd start with Rey being chased by wild some beasts on that island planet, exhausted and scared. Only when she finds a place to hide and calm down does she hear Luke's voice in her head to focus, mind her surroundings and manage her fear. She does and uses the force to find escape. Luke greets her with the test over and scolds her a bit lovingly to not get so caught up in the moment. A few months have passed since TFA and Rey is deep into her Jedi training with Luke acting as a bit of a sarcastic and crotchety old mentor to her. Think Obi Wan mixed with Pai Mei from Kill Bill. Rey's progressed but still has a lot to learn with the force, the Jedi and her "destiny". She's eager to learn and enjoys her powers and abilities. However, she often gets carried away, is impatient, and Luke holds deep worries about that.

Cut to Kylo enduring his "training" at the hands of Snoke who painfully does some kind of force muscle spasm torture on him for every little wrong answer or failure he makes during it. The more he hates the more powerful he will become and that is what holds him back. Snoke sadistically enjoys abusing him like one might a dog during training, even if there is a danger that dog may turn on you. However, since there's still a hint of light, and therefore weakness in Kylo, Snoke wants to beat it out of him. In a weird way, we may even fee sorry for Kylo's terrible plight.

Next Poe, Finn, and Chewie hot dogging their way through a FO blockade with some valuable supplies for the remainder of the Resistance in a speedy moonshiner type ship. They escape the swarm of TIEs and hyperdrive away to rendezvous with their fleet in hiding and on the run.  

Their ship comes out of hyperspace to find a rag tag fleet of resistance, New Republic, and straggler ships on the run in space. Most are damaged. Some are being repaired in flight as they dock. Since the TFA the Resistance has had to fight to stay one step ahead of the FO, as they're consonantly being hunted across the galaxy. Rey is MIA. Supplies are low, allies are few, nerves are shot. Worlds are falling to the FO's blitz across the galaxy or surrendering without a fight.

No sooner do they disembark are they called into an emergency meeting with Ackbar and Leia. Bothan spies have intercepted communications that the FO is planning their next attack on a critical planet in the system and the Resistance is desperate to strike back to hold back the tide, but also galvanize the galaxy to fight back. So with a handful of fighters and troops, as no more can be spared, the boys are sent to the planet to meet the people there and help plan their resistance to strike a blow to the FO.

Rey and Luke eat dinner as Rey keeps eagerly asking him fan girl type questions. What were the Clone Wars like? Tell me how you blew the Death Star up again. When can she make her own lightsaber. And Vader. LOTS of questions about Vader. Very specific questions she shouldn't even know about. Things Luke may not even know about his father. Luke is disturbed but this isnt the first time she's done this so he tries to pass it off in front of her. As she leaves the table the ghosts of Yoda and Obi Wan appear before Luke and they hate to admit to him, but the girl is getting worse with the Vader questions and even they are confused. Turns out Luke has been deliberately stalling her training per their advice until they can be certain of what Rey is exactly. The old masters are stuck in their methodical ways and worried about a Vader 2.0, but Luke knows the galaxy needs her and grows impatient, plus he believes in Rey and wants to give her a chance to prove herself to them once and for all. So against Yoda and Obi-Wan's wishes, he decides to take her to Dagoboah , and the cave, to complete/speed up her training.

Cut to Hux, in the dog house, leading a contingent of FO forces as they clean up the final occupation of another world. Snoke's hologram appears before him and tells him his new mission is to capture the planet Poe and company are heading to. It holds some special Sith artifact he's been looking for and ravenously needs. Hux protests he needs time to resupply and for reinforcements, but Snoke has none of it, and Hux, desperate and eager to get in his good graces again abides promising swift victory. Snoke isn't worried and knows he will come through since he's sending Kylo and his Knights of Ren to observe and make sure this critical planet is taken without issue. On a dime Hux orders his men into their new mission scared and worried.

Poe, Finn and Chewie's forces sneak into the planet but are attacked by hostile flying animals in the atmosphere. A bit of fancy flying to lose them and they find the small capitol city, nearly abandoned. Most of the wealthy who could afford it have left weeks ago, leaving only the poor behind. When they step out of the ship they are surrounded and captured by a rag tag group of 7 warriors who have sworn to defend the remaining people against the coming onslaught. The 7 consist of a few bounty hunters, a droid, and surprisingly, two "Jedi" survivors of Luke's school.

Luke and Rey arrive at Dagoboah near Yoda's old hut, which is totally overgrown and in ruins. Luke says this is where he trained to become a Jedi and is where Rey will finish her training as well. He sends her into the cave to confront her fears and she too is attacked by a visage of Darth Vader. Like Luke before her, she ignites her lightsaber to duel and quickly decapitates him. Vader's mask rolls in front her blown open at the face. She picks it. Looks. Inside, the face of Anakin stares back at her.

She comes out white as a ghost, confused, and lost. So too is Luke, maybe more so than her, since he remembers his experience in the cave and is perplexed by this sudden reveal. Suddenly the disembodied voice of Qui-Gon shouts out, "Anakin!" and his line about the chosen one meant to bring balance back to the force. Yoda and Obi-Wan's ghosts appear before then now, both distraught, their worst fears realized. They never told Luke what they were most afraid of, that Rey, having appeared seemingly out of nowhere and so strong in the force, well they only remembered one student as naturally talented as her. The only explanation is that she IS the reincarnation of Anakin Skwalker. To which Rey responds to Luke, "I, am your father?"