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What’s next for the controversial documentary filmmaker? According to SlashFilm, he'll cover the topic of Homophobia.
The following is taken from a conversation Moore had with The Advocate:
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I think it’s a very ripe subject for someone like me to make a movie about. Simply because we are not there yet and it remains one of the last open wounds on our soul that we are not willing to fix yet,” Moore told The Advocate. “There is nowhere in the four Gospels where Jesus uses the word homosexual.’ The right wing has appropriated this guy … and they have used him to attack gays and lesbians, when he never said a single word against people who are homosexual. Anyone who professes to be a Christian and does that is certainly not following the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Though earth and man are gone, I thought the cube would last forever. I WAS WRONG.
Not starting anything, but the Bible does say something against homosexuality. Not the Gospels themselves, but there is a verse against it elsewhere.
I won't post it, because I'll probably get banned. But I just thought I'd point that out there, that if Moore wants to criticize people for not following the teachings of Christ in that respect, he needs to get his facts straight.
Again, not starting anything and I don't want to go against any homosexuals on this board for my own sake. ha ha. But I was just pointing out the flaw in his statement.
The bible was radically changed by King James in order to be used as tool for control. He put his own prejudices in his version, one of which were his anti-homosexual sentiments. The ancient society that wrote the original documents did not have a word for homosexual, nor did they even have the same concept of homosexuality as we currently do. Any passages regarding homosexuals were a later addition.
Well, I’m not a huge fan of Michael Moore. I do think it’s long overdue for people to just get over the issue of homosexuality. The facts support homosexuality. It’s a fact that people engage in sex for purposes other than having children. It’s a fact that homosexuality exists even in the animal kingdom. A male dog dry humping another male dog isn’t stupid. He knows he’s humping another male.
Honestly, religion can die now or die later. But it’s fate is essentially sealed. People have to wake up eventually. You can only reinforce a delusion for so long before you have to admit that reason and logic don’t support it.
Our time will be judged by the stands we take today. When we look back at people in history, we see that a lot of people were amazingly ignorant. But we also see that a few were astonishingly enlightened. If people today want to be the people who are looked back upon in the future as enlightened, they’ll get over homosexuality and move on. If people want to be looked back upon in the future as ignorant stubborn control freaks, they’ll continue to hold up progress under the mantle and guise of whatever bigoted belief system they were raised with that condemns homosexuality.
As I always say, the world progresses kicking and screaming. Progress is slow and people are afraid of change. Little can be done to prevent the world of our time from being looked back upon as generally ignorant. Future people will almost certainly see us that way. But those of us who are inspired in a genuine search for truth may at least be granted the privilege of having our future judges view us as ahead of our time.
Well, I’m not a huge fan of Michael Moore. I do think it’s long overdue for people to just get over the issue of homosexuality. The facts support homosexuality. It’s a fact that people engage in sex for purposes other than having children. It’s a fact that homosexuality exists even in the animal kingdom. A male dog dry humping another male dog isn’t stupid. He knows he’s humping another male.
Honestly, religion can die now or die later. But it’s fate is essentially sealed. People have to wake up eventually. You can only reinforce a delusion for so long before you have to admit that reason and logic don’t support it.
Our time will be judged by the stands we take today. When we look back at people in history, we see that a lot of people were amazingly ignorant. But we also see that a few were astonishingly enlightened. If people today want to be the people who are looked back upon in the future as enlightened, they’ll get over homosexuality and move on. If people want to be looked back upon in the future as ignorant stubborn control freaks, they’ll continue to hold up progress under the mantle and guise of whatever bigoted belief system they were raised with that condemns homosexuality.
As I always say, the world progresses kicking and screaming. Progress is slow and people are afraid of change. Little can be done to prevent the world of our time from being looked back upon as generally ignorant. Future people will almost certainly see us that way. But those of us who are inspired in a genuine search for truth may at least be granted the privilege of having our future judges view us as ahead of our time.
Breanne
Woah. That is the greatest post in the history of SimplyScripts.
Well said, Breanne. I agree with absolutely everything you said 100%.
I will say that "religion" is not the belief in truth, but the belief in a certain thing or way of life by a group of people. So, by believing there IS nothing apart from us, that makes that a religion. So religion will never die based on the human definition of it.
Secondly, I've never read the original Bible text, Mcornetto, and neither have you. I've seen no proof of your statement and will need a lot of it to change the belief my life has been founded on.
I'm not going to get in a fight about whether or not homosexuality is wrong or right. I have my beliefs but I'm not going to spread them around here because they seem to offend people.
One thing I don't like is that I'm not able to say that homosexuality is wrong on this board and that it is a sin against God. But posters are able to say that religion will die one day and that those who believe in it are ignorant. I don't like the fact that my belief and lifestyle can be called a delusion but I can't say homosexuality is wrong.
I will say that "religion" is not the belief in truth, but the belief in a certain thing or way of life by a group of people. So, by believing there IS nothing apart from us, that makes that a religion. So religion will never die based on the human definition of it.
Secondly, I've never read the original Bible text, Mcornetto, and neither have you. I've seen no proof of your statement and will need a lot of it to change the belief my life has been founded on.
I'm not going to get in a fight about whether or not homosexuality is wrong or right. I have my beliefs but I'm not going to spread them around here because they seem to offend people.
One thing I don't like is that I'm not able to say that homosexuality is wrong on this board and that it is a sin against God. But posters are able to say that religion will die one day and that those who believe in it are ignorant. I don't like the fact that my belief and lifestyle can be called a delusion but I can't say homosexuality is wrong.
Anyway, I'm through before I get banned again.
-Chris
Chris, you can say you believe homosexuality is wrong as far as I’m concerned.
Your definition of religion however is very flawed. It seems as though you got it from Christian apologists. They routinely try to paint science as faith and religion. However, that’s simply not true. A fact is simply a fact. It has nothing to do with belief.
The Bible was written thousands of years ago by unknown authors. I’m sorry but placing absolute faith in any book written thousands of years ago by unknown authors and repeatedly translated throughout the ages simply doesn’t stand up to logic. So yes, I would say that qualifies as ignorant.
Statistics show the average Christian has never even read the Bible. I have read it. I was a very devout Christian at the time and still it was quite a daunting task. If people really believed in the Bible as they claimed, they would read the whole thing - and they would practice it. Of course, practicing it could become quite ugly as it’s quite a vicious and violent book that demands some extremely brutal and barbaric behavior.
Chris, I’m sorry if what I said offended you. It’s a fact however that millions of people place 100% faith in a book written thousands of years ago by unknown authors - a book they themselves have never even read - and yet those people refuse to admit even the slightest possibility that they may be wrong.
That people have sex for reasons other than having children is a fact. It’s not something I made up. Nor is it my belief. Hence, it’s not my religion. Just as it’s a fact that homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom and has existed among humans for all of humanity. I didn’t make that up. It’s not my belief. It’s just a fact.
Well, I guess you can say that homosexuality is obviously not naturally right as the human race would be extinct if everyone was a homosexual. Which means that it must not have be meant to be something we should do when the pointless accident that is our universe and world, as well as our lives, happened.
Whether or not these posts on this thread will be deleted remains to be seen.
Well, this is nixon's board, and he specifically asked me not to delete anything while he is out at the movies -- probably watching something godless, too -- as is his wont.
You are doing fine, Chris -- not even treading close to banned-land haha.
But Don practices tolerance -- and has little truck for slurs -- on or off the boards. Just something to keep in mind.
Some people have complained that too often the Mods jump in and shut down "adult" conversations. I've been a little more hands-off lately, and I think some of the other guys have been, too.
Well, I guess you can say that homosexuality is obviously not naturally right as the human race would be extinct if everyone was a homosexual. Which means that it must not have be meant to be something we should do when the pointless accident that is our universe and world, as well as our lives, happened.
-Chris
Chris two things:
1) No one made any mention of how the universe began so please don’t try and sidetrack the real issue by dragging another contentious issue into the arena.
2) Yes, homosexuality could threaten the human race - if everyone were homosexual. But we both know they’re a small minority of the population. In fact, percentages of homosexual behavior in the human species are consistent with percentages of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom. The animal kingdom is well reputed for its survival instincts. If homosexuality threatened the survival of the animal kingdom, it certainly wouldn’t exist there.
Also, as I’ve already pointed out, sex is not only practiced for the purpose of procreation. You’re going to have a tough sell with that one. And I suspect that when you’re old enough and start a family of your own, you may even find yourself having sex…just for fun.
Homosexuals are ordinary people just like you or I, Chris. They’re not the evil monsters they’ve been painted out to be. They’re just a minority. They love like you. They feel like you. They want to experience intimacy with someone they love and are attracted to - just like you. They have no more control over who they love than you have. If you’ve ever been in love, Chris, you will have experienced the wonder and power of the feeling we call love. And someday, you’ll want to experience the expression of that love sexually. Homosexuals only ask people to recognize that their love is as real and valid as anyone else’s.
Yes, there are homosexuals who are promiscuous or don’t care about love. So are some heterosexuals. There are also homosexuals who genuinely love each other and only ask to be allowed to express it without fear of retribution.
Just remember; what you’re saying is that no one should ever have sex except to procreate.
1) No one made any mention of how the universe began so please don?t try and sidetrack the real issue by dragging another contentious issue into the arena.
No one every said anything about sex or how it's just supposed to be for producing babies, either. So stop sidetracking.
I don't think sex is JUST for that. I believe it can be something a married couple do for "fun" or whatever. ha ha.
And since when did being a homosexual couple mean sex for no reason? And how did our debate come to that?
-Chris
Oh my goodness!!! I posted again. I'm offended by myself. I'm NEVER coming back to this thread again. Ever.
Well, I guess you can say that homosexuality is obviously not naturally right as the human race would be extinct if everyone was a homosexual.
Here you’re implicitly stating that homosexuality is not right because it does not allow for procreation. Hence, you are stating that procreation is your reason why homosexuality is wrong.
Though I fancy myself a moderate and support gays, Michael Moore tends to rub me the wrong way. I liked Bowling for Columbine, but I can't stand how he is more of a propagandist then a filmmaker.
I mean he makes entertaining films, but it's twisted facts, not truth. Moore is a good spin doctor. Even if you agree with him, you have to admit that he does make one-sided films.
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