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An interest in all thing exercise related. I have the full original series of booklets that were given to me by a family friend. This particular image though I found on the net.

A comment Baltis made about infinite numbers of push up and sit up made me think of this. Let's face it, he wasn't exactly going to become strong enough after that to defeat a man who cleaned him off the ground with one hand . . . I knew, only my friend Charles Atlas had the know how to turn Wayne into a superhero

Tom Hardy to fight David Haye!?

http://uk.omg.yahoo.com/news/tom-hardy-challenges-david-haye-boxing-match-121500244.html

Finally saw this today. Some general thoughts:

Cat Woman/ Anne Hathaway: easily the best part of the movie. The character is brilliantly written with heart and depth. Hathaway is both convincing and entertaining, and the chemistry between her an Batman is the heart of the movie, though all of that energy comes from Hathaway. Bale does not score any points for his performance.

Bane: also excellent. His character is a Darth Vader knock off, but so what? It works. Understanding Bane's motivations are a little tricky. The idea initially seemed to be that just as Batman really wants his own end, so does Bane. Seems to be a quality of the League of Shadows. But then there's the twist, and now we know he did it for love.

Robin(the cop): effective enough. Worth having in the story.

Commissioner Gordon: I know the reason he betrayed Batman sounded logical to the writers, but really? That was why the upstanding Commish lied to the people and set up Mr. Bat? Or is it Mr. Man?

the plot:   Ok, let's not call them plot holes. Let's call them plot difficulties. And there's just too many to point out. A lot of strange choices. But the whole bomb thing that was going to kill everyone including the bad guys, how does that make sense? All those Occupy people were ok with that? And they knew about it. Everyone did. This is a case where writers get into pickles and the invention to get them out is really jammed in there uncomfortably. Obviously ticking time bombs are good in film, but this was also needed in order to keep the federal army out of the city. But it means our killers want to die. Worse still, it's made clear, very clear from Liam Neeson that it is a rebalancing that's needed to make the city right again. And evil acts will accomplish this by their reasoning. But destroying the city will hardly rebalance it, will it?

That's the big plot difficulty, but there are a hundred little ones. Do they ruin the story? Nah. It still has plenty of fun moments, thrilling action, cool gadgets, tension, and a convincing chemistry between Cat W and Bat M.

the politics:  there's a hot debate going on whether this movie is for the Tea Party or the Occupy; for the right or the left. Nolan spells out the answer...literally. And it's neither.

The film is clearly a reference, and a cautionary one, to the French Revolution. He leaves plenty of clues. At the end, Batman's final letter is right out of Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities. "It's a far, far better thing I've done..." This TELLS us the story is about the French Revolution if we're not already convinced.

But we should be. We have the storming of the Bastille, the revolutionary courts, even the killing of aristocrats who aided them.

Nolan's point is that this kind of thing is brewing underneath, and if you don't stop it, when it rises up, it will destroy everything in its path. Wisely, he is not taking positions on specific American movements. He is merely saying Western countries are fostering the type of conditions which in the past led to terrible destruction. He's not offering solutions. Nor should he. Batman does not offer solutions. He merely kicks ass when needed.

conclusion: a flawed movie, very flawed; but well worth the 10 bucks.

I watched this a few weeks ago when released and although I thought the first half was slow, more like a first movie of a trilogy rather than the last. The second half was epic and had me on the edge of seat...I have just loved the whole trilogy but...

Upon reading through all the posts here, it's amazing just how many plot holes there were which never appeared to me when watching.

Quoted from sniper I really needed to take a piss during the last 30 minutes - and I didn't want to miss anything.

Yeah, agree with this. I had to give in with about 20 mins to go.

When they said there was 10 minutes before the bomb blew, I didn't look at the time, but I swear it became 20 minutes in the movie.

Plus the whole thing where the bad guy keeps winning, but never kills him because he or she doesn't want him to miss the end...come on. That's fine for 1960s James Bond movies, or MacGuiver or something.

Bane puts him in a prison of some sort, one with no guards apparently, and leaves no one to watch him? Batman? Come on.

A five month ticking time bomb?

Batman escapes from the prison. somehow finds his way into the city, and takes the time to set up his Batman fireworks display on the bridge? Talk about an ego. And way to ruin the element of surprise for your enemies. There's 12 hrs to go before the bomb blows, and Batman is F'n around with fireworks on a bridge.

Stuff like that seems to happen every couple of minutes. I don't know, maybe expectations get to high for these things. But the movie tries so hard to be intelligent and clever, so why have all these strange plot choices?

On IMBD, some guy who says he was an extra in this film, lists 70 plotholes

Quoted from leitskev Plus the whole thing where the bad guy keeps winning, but never kills him because he or she doesn't want him to miss the end...come on. That's fine for 1960s James Bond movies, or MacGuiver or something. Bane puts him in a prison of some sort, one with no guards apparently, and leaves no one to watch him? Batman? Come on.

Ha, these super villains just never learn.  From Austin Powers:

Scott: Wait, aren't you even gonna watch them? They could get away.
Dr. Evil: No-no-no, I'm going to leave them alone and not actually witness them dying, I'm just gonna assume it all went to plan. What?
Scott: I have a gun in my room. You give me 5 seconds, I'll get it. I'll come back down here, BOOM! I'll blow their brains out!
Dr. Evil: Scott, you just don't get it, do ya? You don't.

Lol, exactly!

I suggest you guys watch the film a second time. I had the same problems with TDKR after watching it the first time, but most of them disappeared after watching it a second time.

There's a lot of things you can miss after watching a film only once, especially one this complicated and at this scale.

I'm not saying it's perfect but you guys are exaggerating the plot holes.

Cool

Good point, Major. But to be fair, I said not holes, but difficulties. I mean Batman's escape from the pit like prison is not a hole, but it's pretty far out there. I mean Bane sets up a big TV for him to watch the city destroyed? That's weak. Bane leaves none of his men to watch him? No guards? Weak. Only two people can make that jump? What, Batman is an Olympic athlete now? Despite the medical report we saw earlier in the film, and where he has no cartilage in his knee and can barely walk? And now he has a broken back?

There are a lot of things to figure out on a later viewing. Especially if I can watch later with subtitles, because I can't always understand dialogue in a film, especially if there are sound effects. And I'm not saying everything in a film like this has to be plausible, but this one really asks a lot in the suspension of disbelief department. Don't get me wrong, though, I enjoyed it. The movie was fun. Would have liked to see Hathaway...well, enough said.

They rushed the film. That simple. It was risky in using that angle between Batman and Bane with all the stuff they had going on.

Also, they had too much going on. They should've cut something out of it like the Harvey Dent scenes or the Foley storyline.

The Dark Knight wasn't as rushed or convoluted as this one.

Gabe

I also hope there's a director's cut also. I think Nolan must have had to cut some things out due to time constraints.

I agree it was very ambitious and they had a lot going on. Maybe it was too ambitious and what they had on paper (screenplay) didn't translate as well as they hoped onto the big screen.

But I feel the ideas it possesses were very interesting. And with the Batman in the pit thing. Bane did break his back (or dislocated it) and there has only ever been one person to escape that pit. Bane broke Batman mentally and physically; and there was no point killing Bruce Wayne at that time because, like Alfred said earlier in the film, that's what Bruce wanted.

To escape he had to find that fear again. Which really contrast perfectly and subtly with Batman Begins and his need to overcome fear it that film.

There's no other films out there like this. I mean, it's ambitious, but at least the film tried.

Saw it again this weekend. Still perfect.

Currently reading the script. If it's good, I might go see it. Everyone says it's good so...

Wow your reading the script Pia? is there a link? I searched but couldnt find one.

Either way I wouldnt mind taking a look at that myself.