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Mr. Blonde
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 2:45pm Report to Moderator
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I'm going to take a shot on this one as there was support for it and support against it. I probably wouldn't have but I've seen the people here be civil enough to handle this properly.

It goes without saying that if it starts to get out of hand, that Bert should shut it down. I think it'll be ok, though, at least for the first few pages.

So, let's have it. It's all about organized religion in any fom (except Scientology, which already has a thread in the General section) and any dissemination.

My main interest when it comes to religion is suicide.

But, as Screenrider brought up, it may also be a very good time to mention the earthquake in Haiti.

So, let's discuss. What are everyone's thoughts and what would everyone like to talk about?


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dogglebe
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 3:03pm Report to Moderator
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There's no point in discussing religion, here.  It's not as if any of us can convert anyone else his or her way here.


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Mr. Blonde
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 3:14pm Report to Moderator
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Phil, it's not about changing people's minds. It's about getting a different person's point of view. Because you can fake it, but all you really have is your own point of view. It just seems like a nice change of pace to hear a different person out, right?

Besides, I think there's some people here who would want to discuss something like this.


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screenrider
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 3:15pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from dogglebe
There's no point in discussing religion, here.  It's not as if any of us can convert anyone else his or her way here.
Phil


Attention: Sock Puppet --> (The definition of General Chat)
Talk about anything that you would like not related to screenwriting.

Go for it, Mr. Blonde.  There couldn't possibly be a better time than there is now to discuss this subject.  I.E., in the wake of the recent Haiti tragedy.
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Scar Tissue Films
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 3:19pm Report to Moderator
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Dogmatic religion=Bad

Healthy questioning spirituality= Good.


Not much more to be said....
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Mr. Blonde
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 3:27pm Report to Moderator
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Decadence, we agree completely.

I don't like religion because it's controlled by humans. But, at the same time, I like hearing people talk about it.

EDIT: What do you believe, Screenrider? Old Testament god or New Testament god?



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screenrider
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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
Dogmatic religion=Bad
Healthy questioning spirituality= Good.
Not much more to be said....



There's actually a lot to be said, Decadence.  Are you confident that your spirtuality will get you into heaven after you die?   If your answer is yes, then basically you're telling  God, sending his son Jesus to die on the cross as a propitiation for our sins was a huge waste of time.   That's a pretty bold statement.

Check this out:
Brian Head Welch, former guitarist from Korn.
http://www.bing.com/videos/wat.....7FAB4D68BB8476D0B241
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dogglebe
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 4:10pm Report to Moderator
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Saying that Christianity (or one specific part of Christianity) is the one corect faith is a pretty bold statement.


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screenrider
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 4:24pm Report to Moderator
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Saying that Christianity (or one specific part of Christianity) is the one correct faith is a pretty bold statement.
Phil



If I'm wrong about Jesus then I got nothing to lose, Phil.  But if you're wrong then you got everything to lose...for eternity.  

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dogglebe
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 4:30pm Report to Moderator
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On the contrary, you would only have nothing to lose if there is no God whatsoever.  If you worship the wrong religion, you would be just as screwed as we non-believers.


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Mr. Blonde
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That's another thing I never quite got.

Is it an actual fact that Jesus Christ existed? I never understood and thought there were several possibilities:

Jesus was real but just an ordinary guy?
Jesus was real and our Savior?
Jesus was a part of the Bible and can be proven he existed?
Jesus was a part of the Bible but cannot be proven whether or not he actually existed?

Which one is it?


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dogglebe
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That also depends on who you ask. Another possibility is that he was a prophet.


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screenrider
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Quoted from Mr. Blonde
That's another thing I never quite got.

Is it an actual fact that Jesus Christ existed? I never understood and thought there were several possibilities:


Check it out: Lee strobel, an ex-athiest, can put it better than I ever could.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80TyYivFsVA&feature=related
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James McClung
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Jesus existed. Who he was, exactly, is up to you.

Personally, I'm an atheist and frankly, religion has no impact on my life whatsoever, good or bad. My best friend was a hardcore Christian growing up and still has belief. So far, our difference in belief has been a complete non-issue. If I had to give an opinion on the subject, it would've already been stated by Decadence above but it really has no influence in my realms. Coincidentally, I used to be Catholic. I was baptized, did a holy communion and went to Sunday school. My family stopped going when I was still a kid after they started talking to kindergardeners about partial-birth abortion. My family's beliefs have remained varied since.

As a screenwriting device, I think religion is fantastic. By that, I mean something to write about, not a means to convert people. Religion is such a deeply personal phenomenon which varies from person to person and, as it is in real life, is ripe for conflict. My horror script House of God featured five or six characters each with completely different religious views which made their interactions very interesting to write. I'm planning to rewrite it this year with four more years of both writing and personal experience and further expand on those interactions.


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dogglebe
Posted: January 14th, 2010, 5:03pm Report to Moderator
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What proof is there that Jesus was the Son of God outside of the New Testament?

The Bible cannot be referred to as a reliable source.  That's circular logic.


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