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Really good link there, Chris. A good stimulating video that.
Personally, I thought Dawkins was unnecessarily defensive, no? I mean, he didn't answer the question and stated that "if Indian, you'd be Hindu". Well, my ex who is Indian is Christian, so not sure what she'd say about that. I understand he was shooting from the hip, so, it's easy to stereotype, yet he was hardly convincing either.
It's pretty obvious stating we're a product of our culture, family and time, thus our religion may reflect that - yet, that's basics, Rich, so please embellish and tell us: what's your point?
It's a sad state of affairs when people can talk about blood, guts and boobs all day long and nobody bats an eye, but the minute someone mentions Jesus people are up in arms about it. Unless of course you're using is name as a cuss word. And then it's all good.
Getting back to Jesus for a moment, we know he existed because the historian Josephus records it.
As far as proof he's divine - obviously religion is a matter of faith, so we leave that where it is...
Interestingly enough - and screenwriter can correct me if I have my facts a bit blurry - the gospel of Mark, widely recognized as the earliest, represents Jesus as more of a faith healer than anything else.
I believe there's also a passage where he says something to the effect that his family (brothers, sisters - I forget the exact phrase) do not believe in him.
The other significant thing about Mark is that if you go back to the earliest known copies (I believe written in ancient Greek), he gives us an empty tomb at the end of his gospel. The best historical wisdom is that the sighting of the resurrected Jesus by Mary Magdalene (or the apostles? it's been a while dudes) was added afterward to conform to the other 3 gospels.
Remember, the New Testament was assembled basically on the orders of Constantine, some 300 years after Jesus died. When the emperor says to you "okay, your religion is no longer illegal - oh, and by the way, I want a copy of your "manuscript" on my desk by 5:00 next week - you scramble to put one together. You also include the most "establishment friendly" books, since you do not want to run the risk of irking the emperor. Which is why some of the more revolutionary books (Thomas, Judas, etc.) were left out.
Really good link there, Chris. A good stimulating video that.
Personally, I thought Dawkins was unnecessarily defensive, no? I mean, he didn't answer the question and stated that "if Indian, you'd be Hindu". Well, my ex who is Indian is Christian, so not sure what she'd say about that. I understand he was shooting from the hip, so, it's easy to stereotype, yet he was hardly convincing either.
It's pretty obvious stating we're a product of our culture, family and time, thus our religion may reflect that - yet, that's basics, Rich, so please embellish and tell us: what's your point?
Andrew
I put it in there because Screenrider was tossing up the “what if you're wrong argument.” So I think the video was apt. Dawkin's point was that people who are prone to be religious usually pick their brand of religion based on its dominance of their culture. Not because it’s more plausible than any other religion
If you want a more detailed argument checkout the link in my second post. It's a beauty.
Screenrider, posting random statements from the Bible carries no weight with me. Nor is it an argument. Where’s your evidence to support the claim that God exists and his will for us is detailed in the Bible and that when people die they go to heaven or hell?
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