The Jesus-pug, as Janet and I call it, is actually a prop from my first produced short, Pugumentary.

There's nothing wrong with using biblical figures.  If anything, The Devil's Jokebook confirms the validity of Christianity.  Jesus isn't fictional in my story.  Did you read it?

And for me to write about Mohammad would require research.  I didn't need any for TDJ as I was already familiar with the Bible and the Catholic Church.


Phil

Out of respect for you and your script "The Devil's Joke book" I'll leave that conversation for another day.

I understand it’s doing well and I don't want to put any negative comments out there no matter our differences.

So far as the Jesus dog pic, yeah...It was pretty offensive for a few of us here.

And yes, I read your script.

Shawn.....><

Hey Shawn -

For what it's worth, I'm the one who designed the J-Pug prop.  Frankly, I found it funny - and appropriate/non-offensive, given the Pugumentary script. (And, FYI, I do have devout Christian friends.)  I do see where taken out of context it could be offensive.  But so could a lot of things.

And I think that DJB is one of the best scripts Phil's written.  And not particularly offensive, either.  After all, one of the main sympathetic characters is a high ranking official in the church.  (Wadusky.)

Cheers,

--J

** Incidentally, I also have no qualms in telling Phil when I'm *not* impressed with his work!  

Quoted from RayW Yes. A few billion years more advanced or less advanced, but "Yes." Put fuel, flame, and oxygen in a space and you're gonna eventually get fire whether you like it or not. Same thing.

Yep. What Ray said.  As to why we haven't seen evidence yet?  As someone else mentioned, other solar systems are pretty far away.  Civilizations less advanced or equal to us can't travel that far.  And if there IS a way to travel FTL (which is questionnable, though I'd very much like to believe that we'll find a way to pull it off), then those lifeforms that *have* discovered it:

1) Might not WANT to visit
2) Might be unrecognizable to us at this point
3) Might simply want to remain hidden
4) May simply have not gotten around to checking our corner of the universe out yet.

Frankly, I doubt the Earth's ever been "visited". But the odds and the universe are both so vast... I consider it overwhelmingly unlikely that human beings are the only intelligent "game" in town...

I didn't say why aren't they here. I said where are the signs. Big difference.

Very reasonable for intelligent life to choose to remain hidden. And also fair to assume that the signals might be there, but we don't recognize them.

But the problem remains anyway. The reason is math...it's a matter of probability.

If life is such that it can evolve elsewhere, even only rarely, the universe is so big that there will be millions and millions of worlds with intelligent life.

And even if most of these worlds choose to remain hidden, or have signals we don't recognize, that would still leave an extremely large number of flamboyant aliens...creatures like us who tend to broadcast.

So the longer we go without detecting something, the deeper the mystery is.

If life can evolve here, it should be able to evolve elsewhere. And even if it's exceedingly rare, the universe is so huge that we shouldn't have too much trouble finding intelligent life, no matter how shy most life forms might be.

Let's say the conditions for life are so rare that it can only happen in one out of every million solar systems. That would still mean that life exists in trillions of systems. Trillions. If the conditions of life are possible, the universe should be teaming with it. No signs though. It's a mystery that is really troubling scientists at the moment.

I've always been strongly inclined to believe aliens exist. I was very much interested in UFOs when I was a kid. So I am more of a believer than a skeptic.

That's why the probability problem is so troubling.

As far as Earth being visited, I need evidence...but...there are some interesting cases. The ones that intrigue me are the giant objects witnessed by major airline pilots. It's happened multiple times, including last year.

Hi Janet,

Quoted from wonkavite I do see where taken out of context it could be offensive.  But so could a lot of things.

I can’t imagine there ever being an “in context” scenario where that wouldn’t be offensive.  The cross is where my life changed.

Quoted from wonkavite And I think that DJB is one of the best scripts Phil's written.

I know you do. I read the script and the comments.

Take care

Shawn…..><

Quoted from Ledbetter I can't imagine there ever being an "in context" scenario where that wouldn't be offensive.  The cross is where my life changed. <

Hi Shawn - given your beliefs, I'm sure that's true.  'Offensive' is of course a highly subjective concept.  In relation to the Pugumentary script, it's simply a visual beat showing *just* how far the protag, Stanley Sloane, has gone overboard in his love of pugs. Mind you, that's an aspect of the man's character that's held up as being extreme in the script.

Believe me, if I got upset at everything that offended my personal sensibilities, and strongly held moral code (one that's as deep as any religious viewpoint), I'd never leave the house.  So - short of actual criminal incidents - I let other disagreements slide...  Saves me a whole lot of agita. Besides... while it would be nice if everyone agreed with me (though ultimately boring and highly unlikely) - I *definitely* wouldn't want to live in a world where no-one could voice an opinion, for fear of offending someone else.  Now, *there's* a recipe for social disaster!

So -- how's about them aliens?!?

Cheers,  -J

Quoted from wonkavite It's simply a visual beat showing *just* how far the protag, Stanley Sloane, has gone overboard in his love of pugs. Mind you, that's an aspect of the man's character that's held up as being extreme in the script.

All that, huh?

I never read the script.

So all I saw was a crucified dog.

Shawn.....><

I believe Led is an extraterrestrial life form.

Quoted from Alex_212 Think of how much bacteria grows in your mouth ? It could be another world/universe in there and you, yourself may be the alien !!!!

Or we may be the god....

Quoted from Ledbetter All that, huh? I never read the script. So all I saw was a crucified dog.

Seriously?????????????????


Phil

Quoted from Dreamscale I believe Led is an extraterrestrial life form.

You're right Jeff.

I’m from Uranus…

Shawn.....><

Quoted from dogglebe Or we may be the god.... Seriously!!! Phil

Everybody look out!

The Reverend Jimmy Jones is at it again.  

Stay away from the KOOL-AID!!!!

Shawn.....><

that doesn't even make sense, Shawn.


Phil

Um, Jimmy Jones thought he was God...