I'm preparing to possibly tackle a feature on the subject.  Just curious as to what your personal take and/or belief is about aliens.

Is there something or someone else out there?

Lets see..

The famous Hubble Deep Field image contains 10,000 galaxies. At 2.5 arcminutes, that's roughly 1/2,000,000 of the visible universe in any direction.

So if we multiply 3,000,000,000 x 10,000 x 2,000,000 we get 6 sextillion or 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the visible universe.

It is likely much more than that.

Billions certainly, probably billions OF billions.

So in answer to your question…

Nope! We’re it!!!!

And no… I didn’t come descendant of the monkey!

You might have…Primate.

Shawn…..><

I don't see why not. Doesn't make sense to me that out of the entire universe, only earth has life.

Now, I don't buy all the ridiculous theories about aliens having crazy technology and abducting people. Obviously I don't know if there are aliens... I'm just saying there's a possibility.

Quoted from crookedowl Obviously I don't know if there are aliens... I'm just saying there's a possibility.

You should visit Texas.  

Shawn.....><

Well, my five cents.  Is there extraterrestrial life out there?  DEFINITELY.

Has it ever been to Earth?  I don't think so.  I used to be a UFO buff as a kid, and never read anything that was more than wishful thinking IMHO.  I think that, when there's first contact, we'll ALL know about it.  And there will be tons of proof.

Funny, perhaps, coming from an SF buff who likes to write about aliens (among other things.)  But I'm not a "believer."  But are we the only evolved species in the entire universe?  Seriously doubtful...

What's the word for agnostic, but like, not about a deity? I'd be that, about aliens . . . until they show up, who knows or cares? But my belief definitely leans to there being other lifeforms somewhere in the universe. It's a big universe.

And, I sure do love me a good alien yarn!

I think there are other beings out there Why not?

Boy, Shawn! You're just not gonna leave Silverback alone! Ha ha.

Nick,

If you can find it, check out a non-fiction book by Whitley Strieber called Communion. If you're not familiar with the story, Mr. Strieber is an accomplished novelist who claimed to have been abducted by aliens. They made a movie based on the book starring Christopher Walken. But I def recommend the book. I read it when I was, like, 18, and it had me jumping at shadows and  afraid to close my eyes in the shower. Just down right creepy.

Personally, I find it rather short sighted to think we are the only form of life in an infinite universe. There must be something out there besides us. Gotta be. Whether its some kind of plant life, a single cell organism or a full blown race of intelligent beings. Who knows? It's just too fascinating a topic to dismiss. As far as I'm concerned...

...Anything is possible.

I've always thought that those who think we're the only intelligent life forms in the universe are pretentious assholes.  There are millions of planets out there.  How can we possibly be the only ones who can ponder this question?


Phil

One of my daughters was in the USAF (got out today) she swears there are plenty of videos showing aliens on their security cameras. She says it's not a secret, they just don't talk about it because if they do, people just think they are crazy.

I had the craziest dream when I was in the Navy years ago!  I was underway after 9/11 and the dream goes like this, it was friggen so real:

I'm wandering around the boat and I get pulled away to go escort a dignitary on board that just landed on the flight deck.  Its raining like cats and dogs.  I get to the flight deck and sure enough I go to salute the dignitary and -- it's a fucking alien!  I can still picture it in my head, lol!

Quoted from oJOHNNYoNUTSo I had the craziest dream when I was in the Navy years ago!  I was underway after 9/11 and the dream goes like this, it was friggen so real: I'm wandering around the boat and I get pulled away to go escort a dignitary on board that just landed on the flight deck.  Its raining like cats and dogs.  I get to the flight deck and sure enough I go to salute the dignitary and -- it's a fucking alien!  I can still picture it in my head, lol!

When you woke up, you realized you were late for your high school chemistry finals that you didn't study for.



And that's how you do a come around.


Phil

Quoted from dogglebe I've always thought that those who think we're the only intelligent life forms in the universe are pretencious assholes.

Assuming anyone here on earth actually found you intelligent Phil.

Shawn.....><

Just to put a twist into the conversation.

Think of how much bacteria grows in your mouth ? It could be another world/universe in there and you, yourself may be the alien !!!!

Just to throw a spanner in the works !!!! Think outside the BOX.

Alex

Quoted from dogglebe When you woke up, you realized you were late for your high school chemistry finals that you didn't study for. And that's how you do a come around. Phil

Well played.

Quoted from Ledbetter Assuming anyone here on earth actually found you intelligent Phil.

Your Momma!


Phil

Thanks for all the feedback.  Seems to be unanimous...extraterrestrials...they live.

According to Genesis 6:11-14, life exists only on Earth.  

So...if you drink that Kool-Aid, then...no.  Aliens don't exist.

It's depressing to think that humans are the only intelligent life in the Universe, so I for one think that Aliens DO exist.

Jordan

Although we may never know for sure, I feel it's a little short sighted to think in a universe which would appear to have infinite possibilities, our planet has the only forms of life.

I believe there's a much bigger chance of there being alien life somewhere out there than there is a god/s, but that's probably a different debate altogether.

Quoted from SAC Boy, Shawn! You're just not gonna leave Silverback alone! Ha ha.

The Silver one knows I love him.  

Shawn.....><

Many years ago, I was in Laughlin with a bunch of friends and my wife.

I was up late gambling and kicking major ass.  Everyone else went to bed.  I continued to win and finally decided I better get to bed.

My wife found me banging on the hotel door, naked and broke.

I told her (and everyone else the next morning) that I had been abducted by aliens.

She didn't buy it.

Quoted from Nomad According to Genesis 6:11-14, life exists only on Earth.

Genesis also says that the moon is a light source.

And that the sun revolves around the Earth (the center of the universe).


Phil

Mathematics tells us that there are more galaxies in the universe than grains of sand in on a beach.

Mathematics also tells us that the nearest galaxy is approx 12 million light years away.

So even if there was intelligent in the nearest galaxy, travelling at a space ship as close to the speed of light as possible, it would take more than 12 million years for 'aliens' to get here.

All our concepts of 'UFO's' and 'abductions' are the product of the human mind trying to rationalize phenomena that it does not understand or comprehend. Only a human mind would come up with the concept of beings travelling in vessels, as this is our method of transport. For interstellar transport, that just wouldn't and couldn't work.

Most UFO sightings are nothing more than top secret military aircraft tests, which governments happily allow to be though of as UFOs to cover up any attention being drawn to them.

So, yes, it's probable that there is intelligent life, in some form, out there. It's highly unlikely that we will ever get to see it, but who knows. Like the stars in the sky, they may well have burned out, as we are seeing their light from the past.

Quoted from dogglebe Genesis also says that the moon is a light source. And that the sun revolves around the Earth (the center of the universe). Phil

Next you'll be telling me that Methuselah didn't live for 969 years and that a rainbow is just sunlight refracted through droplets of water.

The Bible is a book, and books don't lie.

Seriously though, Eoin has a good point about the distances aliens would have to cover in order to reach our planet.  Even if they came from the closest solar system to our own, they'd still have to travel 4.37 light years.  

They would have to have some unfathomable technology in order to travel that far, and if they did have the necessary technology, what are they doing abducting drunk rednecks from their double wide in lower Alabama?

Jordan

Quoted from Nomad Seriously though, Eoin has a good point about the distances aliens would have to cover in order to reach our planet.  Even if they came from the closest solar system to our own, they'd still have to travel 4.37 light years.

Not if they use the Mass Relays, they wouldn't... =)

Unless we visit every planet out there, we can't rule it out.

Saying that, that'll take a while yet.

Let's hope they won't use a Microsoft OS on the first intergalactic space ship!  Windows 3000 patch 3000.

Quoted from Nomad They would have to have some unfathomable technology in order to travel that far, and if they did have the necessary technology, what are they doing abducting drunk rednecks from their double wide in lower Alabama? Jordan

Like that

Timothy Leary once speculated that the Beatles were some type of alien super beings sent to make us happy.

Well, they certainly did that but I still think they were from Liverpool and not Alpha Centauri.

Old Tim did love his acid.

Quoted from stevie I would rather be with Frank Gore than a hot nude babe

Stevie, I'm seriously worried about you, bro!!!  

Quoted from Dreamscale Stevie, I'm seriously worried about you, bro!!!

Lol, ya got me bro.      Sort of....


Aliens do in fact exist. But years ago they came to Earth near Jeff's house in Bumfuck, Wisconsin.

When he started probing THEM anally, well, they panicked and took off, warning all other life forms not to go near Earth....

Quoted from stevie Bumfuck, Wisconsin.

It makes sense they would stop there first.

Stevie is clueless.  I was born in WI but that's about it.

He really loves Frank Gore and Kapernick of the Niners...and I mean "LOVES" them.  I think his wife needs to be told as I bet she's been worried for years about his odd attraction to American athletes.

Quoted from oJOHNNYoNUTSo It makes sense they would stop there first.

Yeah, you'd think a species that could travel over light year distances would have more brains.

But, no, they didn't heed the warning signs as farmboy Jeff set his traps for them....lol

Quoted from Dreamscale stevie is like, totally cool! His Niners truly rock and the Rams, Cards and Packers will never get near them while my arse points towards the ground

Quoted from stevie Yeah, you'd think a species that could travel over light year distances would have more brains. But, no, they didn't heed the warning signs as farmboy Jeff set his traps for them....lol

Dude, you're killing me.  Stop the madness.  To funny...farmboy - right.  About as far from a farm boy as I could get.

Quoted from stevie   I love farmboys almost as much as Frank Gore.  Frank Gore sure is a hottie.  I want him!

Quoted from oJOHNNYoNUTSo Jeff and Stevie go at it like when two Bumsfuck.

You guys are OFF THE HOOK!

Shawn.....><

Looks like we finally have a reason to reboot Bum-fights.

Quoted from Nomad Seriously though, Eoin has a good point about the distances aliens would have to cover in order to reach our planet.  Even if they came from the closest solar system to our own, they'd still have to travel 4.37 light years.   They would have to have some unfathomable technology in order to travel that far,

Mankind has been flying for just over a hundred years.  We entered space only fifty years ago.  We're instill infants in the cosmos; give us time!

"Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."
  -- Kay, Men in Black


Phil

I'm late to this party but wanted to clarify that I don't think Gen. 6:11-14 is interpreted by most as stating that the only life in universe is on this planet. The Bible doesn't actually address the subject anywhere. I'm not sure about the assumption that the discovery of life on other planets is somehow a threat to Christianity or religion in general.

And since the 49ers were brought into this, this Chiefs fan would like to thank the ' niners for giving up on Alex Smith so fast!

Is that town in Wisconsin near the Dells? If so, I get it. Those waterparks look like a blast.

Quoted from dogglebe Mankind has been flying for just over a hundred years.  We entered space only fifty years ago.  We're instill infants in the cosmos; give us time!

I didn't say it was impossible.  I do agree with you though about us being infants and I do think it's just a matter of time.

"The people of your planet once believed their world was flat:  Columbus proved it was round.  They said the sound barrier could never be broken:  It was broken.  They said warp speed could never be achieved."

Sybok, Star Trek V:  The Final Frontier

Quoted from CrusaderVoice I don't think Gen. 6:11-14 is interpreted by most as stating that the only life in universe is on this planet.

It's more specifically Genesis 6:13. "The end of ALL FLESH is come before me;"  Some people take that to mean "all life" in the universe.  

Then again:  Deuteronomy 14:21  "Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself:  Thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an ALIEN"  

Provocative, I know.

Jordan

I'm not sure I believe in anything out there but I don't think anyone can say nothing does.  The size of the universe means there will probably be 'something' out there...right?

Actually the 'Black Knight satellite' is kind of weird and gets you thinking.

Quoted from Nomad According to Genesis 6:11-14, life exists only on Earth.   Jordan

it was a nice concept when everyone thought the world was flat and Earth was the center of the universe...

now? not so much.

countless stars, planets, galaxies, and lots of space out there to fill them with.

to say we are the only ones just defies logic and common sense.

God did not create a beach... and single out a grain of sand and say...

THIS IS IT.

that is ridiculous.

Thanks for pointing out the Deut. passage because I've got several food items with expiring dates that I would like to sell to aliens. I had forgot about that verse.

Sadly, Christians have led the way in misinterpreting the Bible.

I sort of think of the line in Contact - "(If there's nothing out there) It's an awful waste of space."

Our ability to wield technology for mankind's betterment and advancement is not as great as our ability for destruction.

Countless great and powerful civilisations have been destroyed. Where would we be if the Library of Alexandria wasn't destroyed? Would we have been to the moon hundreds of years ago, or would our World Wars have been so great, that we would have wiped out more, if not all, of the worlds population? Our access to knowledge and information may have increased, but entrusting it to the right people, that's always a problem.

Yes, we may be in the infancy of flight, but we are also at the critical extreme of safe commercial flying. You need only look at the recent disasters with the Airbus A380 and Boeing 787 to understand that with the increased complexity of flight systems, the risk of systems failures also increases ...

The last 'huge' revelation in terms of physics, took one man to figure out, e=mc2

The current CERN project has over 500 scientists and billions invested, to push that envelope even further. We are at the law of diminishing returns. The human mind is only so intelligent . . .

Take the world's smartest and most stupid person and ask them both a question, is there a God or do aliens exist? Outside of their reasoning, binary logic says each one has a 50% chance of being right . . . and until proved otherwise, they both have the same probability of being right.

Quoted from Penoyer79 it was a nice concept when everyone thought the world was flat and Earth was the center of the universe... ...to say we are the only ones just defies logic and common sense.

Technically it hasn't been proven that Earth isn't the center of the Universe.  It very well could be.

Logic and common sense are great.  I use them all the time.  But they're not absolute.  Just because the law of probability says that there should be other intelligent life in the Universe, doesn't mean that there is.

There's always the possibility that we're the only intelligent life in the Universe.  Sad, I know.  But you have to accept that it's possible.

Just to clarify my position:  I think that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe.  

Just to throw another log on the fire:  If the Universe is infinite, then that means there are an infinite number of me having this exact same conversation somewhere else in the Universe.  An infininte number of Jordans sounds like a pretty good universe to live in.  But that's just my opinion.

"Infinite" opens up a lot of possibilities.

Jordan

Quoted from CrusaderVoice Sadly, Christians have led the way in misinterpreting the Bible.

you cant interpret what is not truly interpretable.

too many abstract metaphors, and cryptic writings... its no wonder each line has 25 different meanings to 25 different people.

My guess is it's that way by design.

The Bible is not the word of God. He did not write it himself. It is man's interpretation of God and the word of God.

and if there is a God... its pretty clear to me whatever messages he left behind were lost in translation long, long ago.

My advice, follow your heart not a book. Life will be much more fulfilling that way.

you only live once. and the only sure thing in this life - is you in the here and now.

everything else is just a hope.

Quoted from Penoyer79 The Bible is not the word of God. He did not write it himself. It is man's interpretation of God and the word of God.

Phil

As a Christian, I grew up being taught that we were alone in the universe and that God created us as unique, special creations. No aliens.

Now that I'm older, I've examined my faith on my own, and watched a hella lot of Star Trek, I'm not so sure I believe we're the only sentient, intelligent lifeforms in the universe. The universe is so big and random, so it seems only natural that there should be life elsewhere. I get excited thinking about what kind of lifeforms we'd encounter. Star Trek has us meeting mostly humanoids, which I think would be inaccurate. After all the preaching it's done about how we should treat all races with compassion and respect, it'd be our luck that our first ETs are like half-organism/half-matter. They'd have some really great benefit that cures, I dunno...death, and we can never figure out if it's ethical to harvest it because we can't tell if it's sentient or not. Instead of being like First Contact where the Vulcans stop by and we, humans, get over ourselves, it's more like an episode of "Seinfeld" or "Curb".

However, if we're able to scour the universe someday and discover that we really were the only sentient, intelligent lifeforms out there, it would be kinda cool to know that we were the highest, most advanced lifeforms in existence. I think Mars is pointing to the idea that much lower organisms are out there--like a smorgasbord of amoebae and the tiniest hints of microscopic plant life--but beyond that, it would be strange to know we were the only ones. It's depressing because we're alone and we're the best the universe has to offer with our wars, disease, poverty, and death; but maybe we'd pull together more, too.

The way I see it,

God speaks to those who have a heart to hear.

It's real...It's as solid as any thing tangible we hold in this life.

A person who has a belief in God and his son Christ has a hope in our eternal outcome.

And by hope I mean faith, not a wish as some might ascertain.

I appreciate satire and jovial approaches to what some might assume is simply a "checking out" of this realm.

But for those of us who have a secure and absolute resolve in our eternal existence, it's not a skit. Nor is it a comedic slap down of Christianity simply because we refuse to follow the world at laughing at all religions that hold fast to the belief that a righteous God still loves us.

And that is the wonderful part here...Love...forgiveness...redemption...salvation.

Are all words NOT mentioned here by you, but by God as a means to redeam his creation.

YOU!

And to all of you that continually tear down Christians and do so by way of slap stick comedy videos and back handed comments, try saying the same things about Muslims.

I dare you!

But none of you will!

Christians are the easy marks these days.

Phil, we once discussed it as a relevant means of two people of opposing opinions to find a common ground.

I don't see that anymore.

You planted the first religious seeds into this conversation and it’s you that is watering them as it progresses.

For someone who professes there is no God, why do you continually interject the subject into conversations?

Shawn.....><
  

Quoted from Ledbetter The way I see it, God speaks to those who have a heart to hear. It's real...It's as solid as any thing tangible we hold in this life. A person who has a belief in God and his son Christ has a hope in our eternal outcome. And by hope I mean faith, not a wish as some might ascertain. I appreciate satire and jovial approaches to what some might assume is simply a "checking out" of this realm. But for those of us who have a secure and absolute resolve in our eternal existence, it's not a skit. Nor is it a comedic slap down of Christianity simply because we refuse to follow the world at laughing at all religions that hold fast to the belief that a righteous God still loves us. And that is the wonderful part here...Love...forgiveness...redemption...salvation. Are all words NOT mentioned here by you, but by God as a means to redeam his creation. YOU! And to all of you that continually tear down Christians and do so by way of slap stick comedy videos and back handed comments, try saying the same things about Muslims. I dare you! But none of you will! Christians are the easy marks these days. Phil, we once discussed it as a relevant means of two people of opposing opinions to find a common ground. I don't see that anymore. You planted the first religious seeds into this conversation and it’s you that is watering them as it progresses. For someone who professes there is no God, why do you continually interject the subject into conversations? Shawn.....><

Quoted from Ledbetter Phil, we once discussed it as a relevant means of two people of opposing opinions to find a common ground. I don't see that anymore. You planted the first religious seeds into this conversation and it’s you that is watering them as it progresses.

Actually, I wasn't the first.  You were in post number two:

Quoted from Ledbetter And no… I didn’t come descendant of the monkey!

That's an intelligent design quote if I ever heard one.


In post eight, I wrote:

Quoted from Phil I've always thought that those who think we're the only intelligent life forms in the universe are pretencious assholes.  There are millions of planets out there.  How can we possibly be the only ones who can ponder this question?

While while I said goes against your personal beliefs, it is not necessarily a statement against religion.  I'm sure that there are athiests/theists/agnostics/whatever who feel we are the only intelligent life in the universe.


Jordan actually referred to the Bible in post 16, and followed it up with a statement that stated a non-religious viewpoint:

Quoted from Jordan According to Genesis 6:11-14, life exists only on Earth. So...if you drink that Kool-Aid, then...no.  Aliens don't exist.

Arty posted something expressing a non-religious belief and then I pointed out two 'Bible facts' that have been disproven.

I'm not the only one here who shares my beliefs and I didn't start the fire this time.

Quoted from jayrex Unless we visit every planet out there, we can't rule it out.

Not necessarily true.  We could find intelligent life a lot sooner than that.  And we just need to find it on one planet


Phil

Quoted from dogglebe And no… I didn’t come descendant of the monkey! That's an intelligent design quote if I ever heard one. Phil

No, Actually...

It came from O'Brother, Where Art Thou-

              WIZARD
And from all those smart-ass folk
say we come descended from the
monkeys!  That's not my culture'n
heritage!

Not an exact quote but that was what I was eluding to...

Shawn.....><

I like the X Files.

Quoted from NickSedario Just curious as to what your personal take and/or belief is about aliens. Is there something or someone else out there?

Yes.

A few billion years more advanced or less advanced, but "Yes."


Put fuel, flame, and oxygen in a space and you're gonna eventually get fire whether you like it or not.
Same thing.

Probability suggests life should be abundant in the universe.

A problem is this: where is it?

If the universe is teeming with life, as it should be, why are there no signs yet?

So the mystery remains.

And if they are here visiting, I highly doubt they are flying around the Midwest mutilating cattle.

Quoted from KevinLenihan Probability suggests life should be abundant in the universe. A problem is this: where is it? If the universe is teeming with life, as it should be, why are there no signs yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_universe
"In physical cosmology, the age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. The best measurement of the age of the universe is 13.798�0.037 billion years "

Think of a marathon.
After a few hours the competitors are strung out fairly well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_extinction

And here on Earth we keep stopping to tie our shoes every few hundred million years.

Now, consider how much human history has changed over the last hundred years, thousand years, ten-thousand years, hundred-thousand years, million years, ten-million years, hundred million years, five-hundred million years, one billion years, two, three, and four billion years.
Now imagine human evolution over the next million years, which cosmologically isn't squat.

Go back and join the marathon runner scenario with the human evolution scenario and peg us at 4.5billion years into a currently 14billion year race.

We're probably not going to technologically recognize the development of any other extraterrestrial life forms much farther ahead of us.
Anything behind us isn't getting off it's planet and out of it's solar system any better than we are.
Anything that can is likely pretty bizarre to us.
The likelihood of something else both being in a developmental near-tie with us - AND - nearby is pretty darn thin.



It's out there.
Just don't worry about it.
Bugs don't ponder entomologists for very long.

I can appreciate the logic of your math, Ray. However, the problem remains: no evidence.

The likelihood of lifeforms existing in a form we would recognize is indeed thin. And they would be spread pretty far out.

But in a universe of billions and billions of galaxies, even something that exists in a very tiny percentage of instances will be found millions of times.

So while I also believe alien life is likely, the lack of evidence does remain a scientific puzzle. I no more assume that intelligent alien life exists than I would that an intelligent creator does. I am open to all possibilities, but without evidence these remain mysteries worth pondering over coffee or decent scotch!

Quoted from Ledbetter No, Actually... It came from O'Brother, Where Art Thou-

But you made a statement by using that quote.

Quoted from Ledbetter And to all of you that continually tear down Christians and do so by way of slap stick comedy videos and back handed comments, try saying the same things about Muslims. I dare you! But none of you will! Christians are the easy marks these days.

There are no Muslims on Simplyscripts quoting from the Quran that we can 'tear down.'


Phil

My staement?

Excuse me,

But didn't you have as an Avatar, a dog hanging from a crucifix?

You have been and continue to be one of the most anti-Christian voices on this site.

Funny for a man who wrote his last script regarding biblical figures

Again, easy pickings...

Perhaps your next one can be about Muhammad…

Or better yet...Madalyn O'Hair. Wasn't she God in your Atheist world?

Shawn…..><

The Jesus-pug, as Janet and I call it, is actually a prop from my first produced short, Pugumentary.

There's nothing wrong with using biblical figures.  If anything, The Devil's Jokebook confirms the validity of Christianity.  Jesus isn't fictional in my story.  Did you read it?

And for me to write about Mohammad would require research.  I didn't need any for TDJ as I was already familiar with the Bible and the Catholic Church.


Phil

Out of respect for you and your script "The Devil's Joke book" I'll leave that conversation for another day.

I understand it’s doing well and I don't want to put any negative comments out there no matter our differences.

So far as the Jesus dog pic, yeah...It was pretty offensive for a few of us here.

And yes, I read your script.

Shawn.....><

Hey Shawn -

For what it's worth, I'm the one who designed the J-Pug prop.  Frankly, I found it funny - and appropriate/non-offensive, given the Pugumentary script. (And, FYI, I do have devout Christian friends.)  I do see where taken out of context it could be offensive.  But so could a lot of things.

And I think that DJB is one of the best scripts Phil's written.  And not particularly offensive, either.  After all, one of the main sympathetic characters is a high ranking official in the church.  (Wadusky.)

Cheers,

--J

** Incidentally, I also have no qualms in telling Phil when I'm *not* impressed with his work!  

Quoted from RayW Yes. A few billion years more advanced or less advanced, but "Yes." Put fuel, flame, and oxygen in a space and you're gonna eventually get fire whether you like it or not. Same thing.

Yep. What Ray said.  As to why we haven't seen evidence yet?  As someone else mentioned, other solar systems are pretty far away.  Civilizations less advanced or equal to us can't travel that far.  And if there IS a way to travel FTL (which is questionnable, though I'd very much like to believe that we'll find a way to pull it off), then those lifeforms that *have* discovered it:

1) Might not WANT to visit
2) Might be unrecognizable to us at this point
3) Might simply want to remain hidden
4) May simply have not gotten around to checking our corner of the universe out yet.

Frankly, I doubt the Earth's ever been "visited". But the odds and the universe are both so vast... I consider it overwhelmingly unlikely that human beings are the only intelligent "game" in town...

I didn't say why aren't they here. I said where are the signs. Big difference.

Very reasonable for intelligent life to choose to remain hidden. And also fair to assume that the signals might be there, but we don't recognize them.

But the problem remains anyway. The reason is math...it's a matter of probability.

If life is such that it can evolve elsewhere, even only rarely, the universe is so big that there will be millions and millions of worlds with intelligent life.

And even if most of these worlds choose to remain hidden, or have signals we don't recognize, that would still leave an extremely large number of flamboyant aliens...creatures like us who tend to broadcast.

So the longer we go without detecting something, the deeper the mystery is.

If life can evolve here, it should be able to evolve elsewhere. And even if it's exceedingly rare, the universe is so huge that we shouldn't have too much trouble finding intelligent life, no matter how shy most life forms might be.

Let's say the conditions for life are so rare that it can only happen in one out of every million solar systems. That would still mean that life exists in trillions of systems. Trillions. If the conditions of life are possible, the universe should be teaming with it. No signs though. It's a mystery that is really troubling scientists at the moment.

I've always been strongly inclined to believe aliens exist. I was very much interested in UFOs when I was a kid. So I am more of a believer than a skeptic.

That's why the probability problem is so troubling.

As far as Earth being visited, I need evidence...but...there are some interesting cases. The ones that intrigue me are the giant objects witnessed by major airline pilots. It's happened multiple times, including last year.

Hi Janet,

Quoted from wonkavite I do see where taken out of context it could be offensive.  But so could a lot of things.

I can’t imagine there ever being an “in context” scenario where that wouldn’t be offensive.  The cross is where my life changed.

Quoted from wonkavite And I think that DJB is one of the best scripts Phil's written.

I know you do. I read the script and the comments.

Take care

Shawn…..><

Quoted from Ledbetter I can't imagine there ever being an "in context" scenario where that wouldn't be offensive.  The cross is where my life changed. <

Hi Shawn - given your beliefs, I'm sure that's true.  'Offensive' is of course a highly subjective concept.  In relation to the Pugumentary script, it's simply a visual beat showing *just* how far the protag, Stanley Sloane, has gone overboard in his love of pugs. Mind you, that's an aspect of the man's character that's held up as being extreme in the script.

Believe me, if I got upset at everything that offended my personal sensibilities, and strongly held moral code (one that's as deep as any religious viewpoint), I'd never leave the house.  So - short of actual criminal incidents - I let other disagreements slide...  Saves me a whole lot of agita. Besides... while it would be nice if everyone agreed with me (though ultimately boring and highly unlikely) - I *definitely* wouldn't want to live in a world where no-one could voice an opinion, for fear of offending someone else.  Now, *there's* a recipe for social disaster!

So -- how's about them aliens?!?

Cheers,  -J

Quoted from wonkavite It's simply a visual beat showing *just* how far the protag, Stanley Sloane, has gone overboard in his love of pugs. Mind you, that's an aspect of the man's character that's held up as being extreme in the script.

All that, huh?

I never read the script.

So all I saw was a crucified dog.

Shawn.....><

I believe Led is an extraterrestrial life form.

Quoted from Alex_212 Think of how much bacteria grows in your mouth ? It could be another world/universe in there and you, yourself may be the alien !!!!

Or we may be the god....

Quoted from Ledbetter All that, huh? I never read the script. So all I saw was a crucified dog.

Seriously?????????????????


Phil

Quoted from Dreamscale I believe Led is an extraterrestrial life form.

You're right Jeff.

I’m from Uranus…

Shawn.....><

Quoted from dogglebe Or we may be the god.... Seriously!!! Phil

Everybody look out!

The Reverend Jimmy Jones is at it again.  

Stay away from the KOOL-AID!!!!

Shawn.....><

that doesn't even make sense, Shawn.


Phil

Um, Jimmy Jones thought he was God...