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SimplyScripts Screenwriting Discussion Board    One Week Challenge    October, 2011 One Week Challange  ›  10/11 OWC Reader's Choice and Guess who wrote what
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 Reader's Choice
The Open Casket (11 votes)
28.21%
The Last Stop (5 votes)
12.82%
Forever Thine (4 votes)
10.26%
Our Lady of Eternal Suffering (3 votes)
7.69%
Payer Fedris - A Gothic Dream Tax (2 votes)
5.13%
Veil of Blood (2 votes)
5.13%
Asylum (2 votes)
5.13%
Open House With An Empty Heart (1 votes)
2.56%
The Stone Within (1 votes)
2.56%
The Lonley Tenant (1 votes)
2.56%
Mischief At Morley House (1 votes)
2.56%
The Executioner (1 votes)
2.56%
Sweep (1 votes)
2.56%
Allured (1 votes)
2.56%
The Madness of Time (1 votes)
2.56%
A Dance in the Dark (1 votes)
2.56%
Annabel (1 votes)
2.56%
The Truth (0 votes)
0%
The Woods (0 votes)
0%
The Haunted Tale of James O'Neil (0 votes)
0%
House Proud (0 votes)
0%
Traceless (0 votes)
0%
Castle Trouble (0 votes)
0%
Falling Angels (0 votes)
0%
Revenant Stand (0 votes)
0%
Satanas (0 votes)
0%
Together Again… Someday (0 votes)
0%
Reaparations (0 votes)
0%
Betrayal (0 votes)
0%
All That Remains (0 votes)
0%
A Price To Pay (0 votes)
0%
No Balls (0 votes)
0%
Innocence Condemned (0 votes)
0%
Abracadabra (0 votes)
0%
Mr. Daniels (0 votes)
0%
My Love (0 votes)
0%
Condemned Sanctuary (0 votes)
0%
39 Votes Total
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Posted: October 25th, 2011, 12:48pm Report to Moderator
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I've received 22 of the "Writer's Choice" votes.  Only Writer's who wrote a script for the October OWC are eligible to vote.  Those writers have already received the ballot.

This is the "Reader's Choice" voting area where anyone can vote.  

Below are the scripts for guessing "Who Wrote What".  

Open House With An Empty Heart
     
The Truth
     
The Woods
     
The Stone Within
     
The Lonley Tenant
     
The Haunted Tale of James O'Neil
     
Mischief At Morley House
     
House Proud
     
Our Lady of Eternal Suffering
     
The Executioner
     
Traceless
     
Castle Trouble
     
Falling Angels
     
The Open Casket
     
Revenant Stand
     
Satanas
     
Together Again… Someday
     
The Last Stop
     
Sweep
     
Reaparations
     
Betrayal
     
All That Remains
     
Payer Fedris - A Gothic Dream Tax
     
Allured
     
The Madness of Time
     
Veil of Blood
     
A Price To Pay
     
No Balls
     
Innocence Condemned
     
A Dance in the Dark
     
Abracadabra
     
Annabel
     
Mr. Daniels
     
My Love
     
Condemned Sanctuary
     
Forever Thine
     
Asylum
     


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I thought Breanne wrote Open Casket.  


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For some reason I thought Balt wrote Open C; but I don't recall why.
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I don't know. I was just guessing.


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I can rule out open casket as mine... my script should be rather easy to peg for anyone who knows proper format guidelines.   I wasn't able to use software to write mine,  and my font is slightly off.  I wung mine on nitro office as that's all I had at my disposal on that Friday.  With that said, i'm very pleased with the response I got on mine...
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I'll switch my Casket guess to Breanne. Mostly because it's wise to copy Pia, but also because she defended following writing according to proven formulas when taking on an assignment. Something like that. Casket has a pro feeling to it.
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Kinda surprised only 22 of 38 writers have voted by this time.  Hopefully they're waiting until the last minute.
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At least 5 regulars have been reviewing but did not enter. That means maybe half those that participated have been reading and reviewing. And one shouldn't vote unless they read a good chunk of scripts.
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I didn't vote, because the trolling got me disillusioned about the whole challenge this time around and I lost interest.


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I didn't vote.

Read about 9 or so, and didn't think it was fair.
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Quoted from Baltis.
I can rule out open casket as mine... my script should be rather easy to peg for anyone who knows proper format guidelines.   I wasn't able to use software to write mine,  and my font is slightly off.


It must've been one of the scripts that Jeff stopped reading after half a page.  


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That doesn't narrow it much, Phil.
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Quoted from dogglebe


It must've been one of the scripts that Jeff stopped reading after half a page.  


Phil


Notice I said my script would be easy to peg for anyone who knows proper formatting... That rules him out of the line up of people who quit while reading my script.    

Truth is, I got it pretty close -- You can tell some of the spacing is off and the dialogue is positioned way too far to the right of the page, but overall I got it pretty close.  Doesn't look like too many people noticed to be honest.
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The one that was pro writen, with an interesting story and snappy dialog, that wasnt mine. It was the one next to it. :]

The reviews I got were not to bad actually. I still have much to learn though, I suppose I will continue to write and learn.

Or does someone have the screenplay writer magic wand? dang that could help.


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I don't remember how many I commented on. I read several that I didn't comment on because I didn't finish them. Not because they were horrible, but maybe didn't hold my interest enough to want to keep reading. Had I entered I would have read and commented on all.

And, lets not start the discussion about commenting even if you can't finish it again. I think we're done with that one!  


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oh sod it, here's a few guesses.

I hope no one is offended, afterall i really dont know anybody here or their writing style.

Asylum - Phil - why? - seems to like dark humour as seen in the last OWC, Annie
Executioner - Kevin - why? - he lives in the area, yup, no better reason than that
Payer - Sandra why? - seems her style, oh no i mentioned style
Dance in the Dark - Greg - why? - purely beacuse he wrote a humous one last time
Veil of Blood - Jeff!!! - why? - dont know. Thought he may have put one in  before setting off and he likes blood.
Last Stop - based in london, (ie not the USA) is this a clue?? oh well how about Eoin.

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I'm a wild card entry for sure. A cup of java to whoever guesses which one's mine.  


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I have the feeling Last Call is from someone new here. So that could be Rene. Or someone who we haven't heard from. Or...someone new who just started reviewing in the last couple of days.
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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films
I didn't vote.

Read about 9 or so, and didn't think it was fair.


That's a reasonable representative sample.  Completely fair to vote based on that.
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Gabe probably did Last Call.  Kevin I have pegged for Our Lady of Eternal Suffering.  And I'm still saying Balt for Open Casket despite what he says


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I read all but 4 in the end, and while it sounds a bit unfair to have voted -- the scripts I didn't read had very poor responses from the reviewers... I will go back and read them, just to say I did, though.   I've got like 9 or 10 reviews to post today and tomorrow of the scripts I still haven't posted up about.  I've been struggling for time the last 2 weeks.
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Which one is Last Call? I'll guess Rene  as well for Last Stop. Gonna have to go with Eoin or Greg for OPen Casket. Especially since Greg insists Balt wrote it. Other then that, I know many others from PMs during the week and won't name those...

Mine got kudos for formatting and being straight-forward. Just no Gothic feel.

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Our Lady was a good tale, Greg, I'd be proud to claim it. A time loop that creates a ghost and a holy site among the ancient Anglo Saxons, cool concept. Not mine, unfortunately.
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I have the feeling Last Call is from someone new here..


Are we talking about The Last Stop?   I thought some of the cockney slang was well done, but some of the other word choices made me think this was actually written by an American, possibly a Canadian.

On the other hand, because of those final supers, I thought Falling Angels was written by someone French.  The writer seemed to have a personal knowledge of the history of the cathedral.  So Michel is a distinct possibility for that one, and I seem to remember there was one other poster who mentioned they were French.

A few other wild guesses:

Reaparations - Michael
Revenant Stand - Gary
Veil of Blood - Baltis
Sweep - CM Hall
Our Lady of Eternal Suffering - SteveUK

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I don't think Angels is French. Not with the Americans parachuting in.  Definitely someone that likes history.
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Quoted from Ryan1
So Michel is a distinct possibility for that one,


Sorry. it wasn't mine....


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I don't think Angels is French. (...).  Definitely someone that likes history.


What does it mean?


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Quoted from Reef Dreamer
oh sod it, here's a few guesses.


Last Stop - based in london, (ie not the USA) is this a clue?? oh well how about Eoin.




I don't live in London, I'm Irish and I didn't enter the OWC
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Michel, sorry about the way that sounded. I know the French love history, those were separate observations. I figured the story is written by an American just because of the ending. And then I figured it was that rare American who likes history, based on the research involved, the knowledge of history. I meant no offense. I know the French love history!
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I also think Baltis wrote Veil of Blood.
It kind of has the alignment he described - but it's a case where it would be minor nitpick at best, something that can (and should be) ignored. Even I ignored one of my usual pet peeves (bold headers) because I thought it was well done.

Balt, if you didn't write Blood, take it as a high compliment -
for the person who wrote it also take it as a strong praise.

There are a small handful yet which I didn't read both due to time issues and the fact that only a small number of few names/faces actually attempted to respond. But I also think there was someone new 'Agent Dale Cooper' who may have put a script in here and it may have been one of the better ones. I'll take a wild guess and say Last Call for Coop.

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Quoted from Grandma Bear
I thought Breanne wrote Open Casket.  


I actually wasn’t as impressed with Open Casket as everyone else. I think it’s pretty good but not in my top three. I think The Last Stop is clearly the best of the bunch.

As far as guessing authors, a couple of people sent me pms after I reviewed their scripts and divulged their identities so I won’t guess those, although I would have been right on both counts.

The Last Stop - I believe Bert may have written it. I recall he loved a feature set at a carnival in one of the script clubs.

Open Casket or The Stone Within - I think Richard (scar tissue) may have written one of those.


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I had Phil down for Open Casket and Sandra for Payer.

Couldn;t guess at any others.
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Okay - my guess.  Balt for Veil of Blood.  Bert for Open Casket, or Forever Thine....

That's the best I can do...  Outta ideas.

BTW - I really hope we're gonna know who comes in for the top five, not just #1!!!  
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Woohoo! Just finished reading them all I voted for my favorite, but it's not winning...yet;)

As for guesses, the only one I've got is Payer Fedris - Sandra all the way! Other than that, I'm still not quite familiar enough with everyone's styles to have a clue.
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I got my votes in.  3 recommend with another 3 on the bubble and a fair amount of considers.



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Eoin

I was waiting for you to respond to that link..based in London must be EOIN!!!

Oh how I laughed at that.


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It might well be that Bert wrote The Last Stop. Two of the top three were favorites of mine. And yes, they are the overall favorites for whatever reason. The Open Casket in my opinion really nailed the rich environment that needed to be demonstrable. Sweep and A Price to Pay were also strong contenders for me with Sweep's powerful images and dialogue like,

"LOUISE
Most sound is painful for him. So,
when something is pleasant he's... almost tipsy...


And A Price to Pay's use of the repetitions that really called up the images in me-- Jennifer and that lock thrice over and returning to the stain. It just really worked on me.

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I managed to read all the scripts and vote, left feedback for all of them too - that's how much time I have had this last fortnight!
Couldn't guess at authors as I haven't been around long enough to get familiar with everyones styles,


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As always, this kid knows pretty much who wrote what, and it's amazing how far off most of you are with your guesses.  You'll be surprised with the reveal of many of these.


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Quoted from Breanne Mattson

I think The Last Stop is clearly the best of the bunch.


I totally agree! Those visuals were just amazing
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I'm going to read a couple more before I put in my vote.  Looks like 'The Last Stop' is definitely one to check out before voting.


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I put in my vote, but goofed.  

I meant for it to go to The Executioner. I liked that one the best.

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I voted for Forever Thine.

For the same reason I enjoyed the Remnant script from the last OWC.
I got caught up in it and I didn't see the end coming.
That's the bar high, right there. You caught me napping.

There was the near unanimous literal interpretation of the theme.
Transparent previous OWC transplants aside, I was impressed overall.
This was a tough nut of a theme to crack and I enjoyed the reads.

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All right.  I'm going to put my vote in after work tonight and after I read 'Open House with an Empty Heart'.  Are there any others I should check out before I miss the voting deadline that might challenge my top 3?

As of right now, my top 3 are 'Veil of Blood', 'Open Casket', and 'The Executioner'.  (They may or may not be my favorites in any particular order.)


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Last Stop is excellent also, as you can tell from the votes. I actually liked the Morley one, though the ghost was a little untypical in behavior at the end. I think you would like that one, Mark. Revenant had some strong parts too. These are just to name a few that don't get much attention. Lonely Tenant had the most clever foreshadowing and would be easy to film, if you have a suitable location. If you have time, check some of those out. Maybe start with Morley, it deserves some love. Pretty well crafted, IMO.
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All right.  I'm going to put my vote in after work tonight and after I read 'Open House with an Empty Heart'.  Are there any others I should check out before I miss the voting deadline that might challenge my top 3?

As of right now, my top 3 are 'Veil of Blood', 'Open Casket', and 'The Executioner'.  (They may or may not be my favorites in any particular order.)


Mark, if you're talking about the Writer's Choice votes, I believe the deadline was yesterday.
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I felt this was a good one over all. Lots of people entered and I have to thank Don for having this site up! I dont want to ever take it for granted for sure.

Im a working man and my money is tight, looking at other sites you usually have to pay to even get your work read, and thats a maybe. So thanks to Don! :]


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Nothing compares to this site. These OWC's must be tremendous work, too. Big thanks to the big guy for sure.

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Nothing compares to this sight. These OWC's must be tremendous work, too. Big thanks to the big guy for sure.


Amen to that brother, and excelent job on your entry by the way!


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Some day I'll figure out how to write a complicated story that's easy to follow and is NOT filled with exposition!

Actually, I probably won't.

Just finished a feature a minute ago! Feels good. Will post it down the road.
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Nah keep at it, you'll nail it for sure.

Keep me posted on your feature, will take a look at it for sure.


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No, Ryan.  Don said my scripts are so bad and boring, he doesn't even consider me a writer, so I didn't get to put in my writer's vote, just the readers.  :-)  Actually, I spent that week working and reading and brushing up an older script for querying around next month.  I listed those 3 because I haven't made a decision yet as to which one I'm voting for, but it's between those ones.

Last Stop I actually read already.  I liked it, but not as much as some others seemed to have.  I should have time to read the Morley one and Revenant Stand, too, before I tackle some of my own stuff tonight.


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Last Stop I actually read already.  I liked it, but not as much as some others seemed to have.


In all honesty, as far as writing goes, I think that The Last Stop takes it. The question as always is" "What type of writing do you speak of, Dear Critique Artist?"

In this particular challenge I'm speaking strictly based upon the "Writing Execution".

That means, that with my judgement, in this particular challenge, the writer has surpassed his necessary qualifications.

My ultimate votes are as follows:

***The Open Casket

--Completely fulfilled the gothic criteria and entertained us throughout.

--The Last Stop

Strayed from gothic form, but ultimately laid a strong platform that cannot be denied due to the consistent effort.

Sandra  :)

In other words: The Last Stop kills this challenge because of top notch skill.

The Open Casket: Fit the criteria in every respect and I think should win this challenge because they set out to do everything the challenge demanded of them and completed it all to the last.

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Quoted from leitskev
Some day I'll figure out how to write a complicated story that's easy to follow and is NOT filled with exposition.


Heh, same here.
At the same time, all dialouge is or should be exposition anyway, I suppose it's how you make it come across smoothly and without notice is what counts.
Lots of good scripts in this entry, lots of entries, fun stuff and it was great to read but felt I needed to rush through them and only gave them straight forward thoughts. I felt bad that I could only spend a little time with each one but I guess thats part and parcel of the OWC.

Well done everyone, and also to the regulars who reviewed without need, that was pretty cool.

The Last Stop is probably my stand out, but I did enjoy a couple of the others. Allured was a very entertaining fun read. Our Lady Of Eternal Suffering,  which I thought at first was written by Baltis, is still a high ranker for me.













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BTW - not that I did it (seriously, I didn't) - but I'm hoping no-one's voting for their own?  
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Last Stop I actually read already.  I liked it, but not as much as some others seemed to have.  


Mark, I'm with you on this one.  Just felt that it didn't hit the gothic mark, and the plot meandered a bit, once the action started.  

Best wishes to the writer though - they've obviously got a hit on their hands.  And it's still a decent story; with clean writing and some interesting characters...

(I'll sit in the corner now, shake my "Forever Thine" banner...)
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I decided to go with 'The Executioner'.  I didn't exactly like where the story went, but I really enjoyed the ride more than any of the other stories.  And for some reason, the writing felt really clean to me, too.

'Forever Thine', eh?  I don't know why, I just couldn't get into that one.  I even had to go back now just to check and see which one it was, because I couldn't remember a single thing about it, though I know I read it.


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I'm not voting for mine and to be honest, I'm glad no one else is. I didn't cast a vote at all because I have been so busy with work I am not able to read and comment on as many of the submissions as I would like. And no one knows who I am and they won't be able to guess which script is mine, so....

We will see you at the reveal.

And a big congrats on all the people who submitted and a thanks to the ones who did have the time to read them all.

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For me, it come down to Last Stop and Open Casket. Casket was finely executed, Stop had some real originality to it.

Was Last Stop Gothic enough? It's a fair question. I think you have the damsel in distress, which is a big part of Gothic; and you have a 19th century feel to things, if I remember correctly, which evokes connection to the past. But it's definitely borderline as to whether this is Gothic.

On the longer list, I had 2 recommends and I think maybe 8 considers. I bunch of scripts that I gave a pass to could easily be brought up to consider with a rewrite.

Some scripts I just had trouble with the premise, and no matter how well written, those are passes for me. You can't polish a premise.
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Hope the names get revealed today.  I gotta find out who wrote some of these.
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Just going over the votes, and I realized I must have made some pretty good choices of what to read or not.  12 out of the 16 stories I read got votes.

I guess there really is something to having a good title and a good logline means a better chance at a good story.

(For those who don't know, I made my choices of what to read based on my favorite titles and favorite loglines that grabbed my attention.)

I was impressed with a lot of the stories.  Almost all of them I read were at least likable.  Even the one I couldn't follow and had no idea what was going on, I still liked.


You know what really surprised me with this October OWC, though?  Especially with the gothic horror genre theme?...  The lack of vampires.

Usually, vampires crop up in all OWC's, even ones that have no right being there.  Makes me wonder if thinking about ghosts so much made people completely forget about vampires.

In fact, to tell you the truth, I myself was contemplating submitting a gothic story about a vampire notary.  The idea's totally original and I came up with it all myself, don't believe what others say.


Anyway, congrats to everyone for entering and I'll be reading more and more of these over the next couple weeks as the names get revealed.

- Mark


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I used to read some of Anne Rice's novels, and they're full of both vampires and ghosts. I would think most of the time one excludes the other in that they're each their own genre, or sub genre. Gothic works well with vamps though.

I think New Orleans, as a setting, is pretty Gothic because of the clash of cultures and the languid pace of things, like a world that rebels against the modern and the rational.
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After this OWC I'm thinking of taking every clunker er I mean short Ive done so far and rewrite the heck out of each one of em (God knows they need it lol).

Then maybe package them all into some sort of Anthology feature thing since they all are pretty much linked by the horror/dark fantasy theme. Maybe that will be my first feature, "Stories of the Macabre or "Paranormal Theater" or something.

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I avoided Vampires (one of my characters could quite easilly have been one) because their use had reached saturation point for me and I assumed there would also be loads.

My logline was rubbish - its another aspect of writing I need practice with.


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In fact, to tell you the truth, I myself was contemplating submitting a gothic story about a vampire notary.


Ooooo, you'se busted!  I have it under good authority that Bert came up with the original idea!  :)
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I can't help thinking that many have been influenced to vote the Open Casket, following the majority....


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I can't help thinking that many have been influenced to vote the Open Casket, following the majority....


It seems as such... I did like it, but I felt 2 others out classed it.  Neither being my own.  
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I just read The Last Stop and I liked it even better than The Open Casket, but I have already voted.  Great work, whoever wrote it!!  


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In a way, I'm sort of glad there wasn't vampires - although nothing in the rules said you couldn't have them. If there were any, I would be a bit more strict and give less leeway. After submitting and reading 36 sp off Movie Poets Undead challenge, the last thing I would want to read is stories with vampires and ghosts mixed up in the same story, much less zombies and mummies.

I would have liked a Frankenstien-like story though.



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I can't help thinking that many have been influenced to vote the Open Casket, following the majority....


While I won't take anything away from that writer, I'm inclined to agree. But that said, the ones I liked more are also getting some votes. So, when we factor in the ballots from the other day, i would say the poll here is fair.



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I went back, after seeing Michel's remark, to look at the early reviews on Casket, and they aren't particularly glowing. Also, early on Casket was not getting a lot of reads, probably due to the title and log. I think it rose to the top like cream. And I have no idea who wrote it. It had my vote until the last day, and I read Last Stop, which nudged it out for me. But Casket is solid work, very high quality. I think the vote was ultimately fair. I believed Casket would win as soon as I finished reading it.
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I wasn't contesting the quality of the script. just noticed that....


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Open Casket is easily the best written script of this bunch.  Hands down, nothing comes remotely close, IMO.

I'm wondering why anyone would question the vote or say something like the vote was influenced by the fact that it was receiving more votes.  Doesn't make any sense.

The only influence I've been seeing is Kevin championing his Heavyweight Champion, Last Call/Stop     I bet it picked up 1 or 2 votes based on all the hoopla.

I don't think I even got through all of Last Stop, but it did show potential.

When are the names being revealed?  You guys are gonna be in for a big surprise!!  


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Wow, I carry two delegates! Cool! I'm like Rhode Island.
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Quoted from Dreamscale

When are the names being revealed?  You guys are gonna be in for a big surprise!!  


Don, please hurry up and reveal the names.  I can't take Jeff's sinister chuckles anymore.

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It's Halloween, Ryan.  If I had a sinister pumpkin grin, I'd use it, but...since I don't, let's pretend it's a giant grinning Jack O Lantern.

Thank you all for voting for my script.  I appreciate it very much.  


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Open Casket is easily the best written script of this bunch.  Hands down, nothing comes remotely close, IMO.


Wow, that's a really nice thing to say, Jeff...Are you feeling okay, or is Open Casket your script??  
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I'm saying whether or not I write it, it's easily the best script entered in this OWC.

I didn't think I wrote a script for this OWC...did I?  Hmmm...I can't remember now.



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I'm saying whether or not I write it, it's easily the best script entered in this OWC.

I didn't think I wrote a script for this OWC...did I?  Hmmm...I can't remember now.



It's cool - I've already accepted the fact that I'm probably the only idiot who didn't enter
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All I have to say is, keep voting for mine.


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All I can say is please someone, anyone cast a vote for mine!  


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Pia,

I thought you didn't submit.  Did you????  That would change my guesses!  
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OK, Pia and I need to come clean...right, Pia?

We did a collab and it looks like you guys really ate it up.

I know when Stevie reads this, he'll be very jealous, as he's been dying to do a collab.


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I know when Stevie reads this, he'll be very jealous, as he's been dying to do a collab.


Naw, stevie did a collab with me for this OWC.  It's getting good votes too.  

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Good show, all!

But Michael, I know what what your fellow Aussie wrote and I know it got the 1 vote he placed for himself.  I'm not completely sure what you wrote, though, but I am 100% sure your script received between 0 and 4 votes.


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Jeez, why didn't I think of a collab??? Here I was racking my brain just for an idea!! Ugh. Whatevs.

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Bert and Balt also helped in our collab - almost unfair, I know, but looks like 4 chefs in the kitchen may not be such a bad thing afterall?


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OK, Pia and I need to come clean...right, Pia?

We did a collab and it looks like you guys really ate it up.

I know when Stevie reads this, he'll be very jealous, as he's been dying to do a collab.


I want to do a collab with another writer, bro.

That's you out...


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Bert and Balt also helped in our collab - almost unfair, I know, but looks like 4 chefs in the kitchen may not be such a bad thing afterall?


Aw, now that's just wrong.

Nah, just messin. Good job, guys Count me in for the next one!

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I just can't believe the four scripts I was apart of are leading the pack right now.  It's really a testament to all the hard work and dedication I suppose... Really, thank you.  Thank you all for voting on all four of my scripts... I just wish someone would vote for my 5th script cos' it has no votes right now.

     
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I think it would be interesting to have an "Open" OWC collaboration challenge again. I remember working with George on one that I wouldn't mind coming back to, but I've got so many irons in the fire that I should be a blacksmith.  

Really though, love working with people on the babies. Saw a whole lot of really damn good material in this OWC and not just in the two that I proclaimed as my favorites. As I said, (besides OPEN CASKET and THE LAST STOP) SWEEP AND A PRICE TO PAY were right there for me.

All of the writers in this challenge should be really proud of what they accomplished. Kudos to you all! My eyes, my brain, my bod-- all burned out right now. Been working too hard. Can I figure on a post to the "Waking Up Thread"? I don't know. I think I'm fully awake and need to sleep. It's pushing 1 am.  

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Definitely time for the reveal, I think.

Voting has seemingly ended, and there's not much left to discuss.

Ben a good OWC imo. I enjoyed the scripts I read.
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Yeah - come on Don - please do a reveal!  Also - the rankings for the pass-recommend-consideration vote.  

Pretty please??
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When he does these IScript OWCs, he usually waits until he has the IScript before he does the reveal.  Sometimes that takes a few days.
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iScript gets revealed on Monday.  Wouldn't hurt to reveal the authors' names now that all the voting is over.  I really gotta find out who wrote some of these.  
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I wrote the one, fourth from the center.

There - it's out.

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I wrote the one everyone meant to vote for, and F'd up!
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I knew that was yours!

Good job!

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Um, I wrote...  Gosh, I think I forget.  It was oh so long ago....  
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I had to get my mom to join so I could get a vote!
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I had to get my mom to join so I could get a vote!


now that's funny!!

In a minute I'm going to name the scripts that I know who wrote them!!!!


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Hmm...Mark said he voted for mine....Mom!!! She must've voted for that damn Asylum one!
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Nah, *no-body* would vote for that lousy script....    
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Here are my "guesses"... I think it's okay now since the voting is over.

Satanas - Jordan
Together some day - Phil
The Executioner - Kevin
Asylum - Janet


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Who wrote the leaders? I am "guessing" Rick wrote Eternal Suffering. Would love to know the others.
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This thread has pretty much lost all interest from the writers and readers now. I don't know what "the boss" is waiting for. I guess, Iscripts? This is the most stretched out OWC I've ever been a part of...

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I voted for The Last Stop. It was orignal, fun, gripping and kept me on edge. The ending was a little confusing but it was a really good read.

Open Casket was good, but cliched to hell. It was so predictable from page one. I'd put another several above it personally, but each to their own.

I think Allured outdid Open Casket on the twist and had a better story. The Executioner had a much more riveting feel about it. Quite a few others had more story than Open Casket, yet I guess it did have superior writing and that was that won it?







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Quoted from Scoob
Open Casket was good, but cliched to hell. It was so predictable from page one. I'd put another several above it personally, but each to their own.

I think Allured outdid Open Casket on the twist and had a better story. The Executioner had a much more riveting feel about it. Quite a few others had more story than Open Casket, yet I guess it did have superior writing and that was that won it?




Or herd mentality.
While I really liked it a lot and would like to see it made, I would have it thought it would be more of a close horse race with a few others.


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Or herd mentality.
While I really liked it a lot and would like to see it made, I would have it thought it would be more of a close horse race with a few others.


Nah- at least speaking for myself, I'd rate OC in my top four.  I'd consider The Last Stop's popularity more a case of herd mentality.  No offense whatsoever meant toward the writer - it's an entertaining story, but too unfocused for me to give it the top slot.

Yes, there was a bit of cliche in OC - but given the gothic vibe we were reaching for, that's not a bad thing.  As long as the story and atmosphere worked.  

Of course, if bumping OC meant more votes for mine, that's not a bad thing...     (Just kidding, just kidding...)

But yeah - this OWC reveal is really dragging out.  I'm done.  Let's please get the reveal underway!
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I'm surprisingly going to have to agree with Janet for a change.

Last Call/Stop definitely seemed to be a herd mentality kind of thang.

Open Casket was the real deal.

Still surprised how peeps question its superiority, and continually knock its story.  How anyone can vote for a poorly written script, or downright unreadable script is way beyond my comprehension.

I made a point this OWC, which most of you didn't appreciate - if a script has numerous flaws out of the gate, poor or ridiculous dialogue, logic, or anything else of that nature, I shut it down immediately - just like any "real" reader would do.

That only left a handful of scripts that actually were even worth reading.

I'm still amazed that a vast number of scripts received a vote - have to wonder if the writers actually voted for tehmselves of their "buddies".  Hmmm...I wonder...


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For the writer's choice I "recommended" a few I thought were sensibly produceable and then checked several for "consider".


For readers choice I voted for the story I enjoyed the most.
P!ss on challenge criteria or format.


Caveat: I didn't read all of the entries.
I think I have yet to get to a dozen of them, but did read both the current top two reader's choice entries.






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I did give my own script a consider. I think its in the top ten, call me a douche bag.

I don't at all think that makes you a douche bag, or other epithet.

Look, many of us who've read more than plenty of these know what's good and what's cr@p.
If your story's good then it's good.
If it's cr@p then it's cr@p.

I'm pretty sure when political candidates go into the booth to vote that there isn't some "gentleman's agreement" to not vote for themselves.
Screw that on a hanging chad.
I'm voting for me - unless my screenplay was generally panned, in which case it's kinda nutty to argue that the whole SS-world is crazy.


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Thought this was a reader only thread. Anyway, I would've just chalked up another vote for OC if I had.

May very well be a faux pas on my behalf, then.
I consider them different votes for different things.
The writer's more conservative, akin to a jury award.
The reader's more liberal, akin to what the public enjoys.




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On the ballot, I only gave one recommend. I think eight considers. I did give my own script a consider. I think its in the top ten, call me a douche bag. I did not vote on this thread, though. I didn't think writers were supposed to. Thought this was a reader only thread. Anyway, I would've just chalked up another vote for OC if I had.

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Jeff, I've been reading a lot of scripts over the last few months that have all been recently optioned, some already moving toward production. Some are done by pros, some by new writers. There is one thing they all have in common. In each and every case, within a few pages, you find things that would frankly cause you to shut down the read. Orphans, underlined words, asides, bold text...there's always at least one of those elements, usually more than one. But yet these are successful spec scripts. Not shooting scripts, not scripts commissioned with old veteran scripts, but modern spec scripts. If you want, PM me and I'll tell you more where to read these.

There is not one producer, director or actor in the world who will judge scripts on these merits. Not one. Why should we? Why should we stop reading a script because it's not formatted and written according to SS standard 101 rules? Why should those rules be the litmus test we use when determining which script to vote for?

I thought Open Casket was expertly crafted. Not surprised it's winning. But I would not eliminate other scripts from consideration because they had an orphan or an aside or something. No "real" reader would. Someone who is hunting for a script to shoot as a film is not going to care about those things. Would you? I mean seriously, let's say someone gives you 25K and says find me a script and shoot it, something that will leave a mark as a film. Will you give two hoots about asides in your search? You've got 25k, and one shot at this thing. That puts you under pressure to find the best story you can. The very last thing you will care about is the construction of that script. The construction matters, because it reflects the experience and competency of the writer, but it's WAY behind things like the premise, the settings, the story, the dialogue. It just is.
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James, I did the same thing. I would never vote for my own script, but on a list like that, what was I going to put: did not read? or pass? so I put consider.

I gave 2 recommends(Last and Open) and about 8 or 9 considers. There were 4 I never read, unfortunately.

There were a few stories that were pretty well written, even very well written, that I passed on. Why? Because a script is often fixable, but not a bad premise. Some stories, for me, just could never be fixed because the concept was off. Most of the passes were stories that had decent concepts, but were just in need of too much repair. It didn't seem fair to give them a consider.
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I didnt vote for mine either, no reaason, I assumed it wouldnt be fair. Maybe I should have, would have been at least one more vote...oh wait, one vote sorry. :]


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While I did put mine down on a 'consider', when it comes to the poll above I did not vote for my own. The revision is in waiting; I added a few pages, took a few small things out. Would I vote for it in the top three now? No.


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Anyone voting for their own script should think about running for office...

I voted for, not the best script, but the script I felt fit the challenge the best.  I can name 5 scripts better than the one I voted for, but none matched the criteria as well...
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I voted for the script I enjoyed the most (not my own) but it had to fit the criteria of the challenge, otherwise, what's the point?
And alot of the entries were way off the mark on the criteria.
Gothic by its very nature has become cliche because of the staple imagery and feeling that MAKES it gothic.
I prefer to call them tropes.


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For the pass consider recommend vote, I was kind to my script, as well as others that I considered equal...or better....scripts...  But for the single vote, I didn't consider it fair or sporting to vote for my own.  That just seemed wrong to me.  Maybe I should have....though I stand by my vote for forever thine...
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I voted for my own because I enjoyed reading it the most and it tried to be original.

This was a very tough challenge - and the finished scripts were a tough bunch to read. I always read every script in an OWC I enter but this was too much of a chore for this one.

So I picked out a few randomly. Others I read but didn't post a review. I have no prob with Jeff stopping reads after one page - that's his choice!

OC was the best written script, have to agree with the general consensus on that. But there was none of the writers voice in it. It ticked all the Gothic boxes and that was it. A dew if the period pieces did that.

Anyway good efforts by all in a tough OWC.


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Here's what I would say is the ideal way of determining a "winner"(yes, there is no winner, I know). It's pretty much the format used here. Use the sheet for everyone to vote on each script. Then get someone to pick their favorite script from whatever number they are comfortable with. I think in this case Iscripts is picking from the top 3 scorers. If the next one does not have a sponsor, if someone independent could be found to read, say, the top 5 and pick one, that would be cool.

Voting has its flaws, no need to go into them. Ideally, an agent or producer could be found, or even a screenplay professor, or even a coverage reader. That's pretty good practice to try to write with the goal of impressing someone with your script. Just an idea. But we have to accept that it's a lot of thankless work for someone(Don) so whatever works best for him is really best.
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I'm surprisingly going to have to agree with Janet for a change.

Last Call/Stop definitely seemed to be a herd mentality kind of thang.

Open Casket was the real deal.

Still surprised how peeps question its superiority, and continually knock its story.  How anyone can vote for a poorly written script, or downright unreadable script is way beyond my comprehension.

I made a point this OWC, which most of you didn't appreciate - if a script has numerous flaws out of the gate, poor or ridiculous dialogue, logic, or anything else of that nature, I shut it down immediately - just like any "real" reader would do.

That only left a handful of scripts that actually were even worth reading.

I'm still amazed that a vast number of scripts received a vote - have to wonder if the writers actually voted for tehmselves of their "buddies".  Hmmm...I wonder...


Writing doesn't make it to the screen...good or bad. Story, however, does.  It's as simple as that.

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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films


Writing doesn't make it to the screen...good or bad. Story, however, does.  It's as simple as that.



Are you Jessica Alba in disguise? Saying some of the great lines that are written don't make it to screen? I agree that only story makes it to screen, but, IMHO, bad writing just plain don't get read...

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As a newbie I found it particularly difficult to decide. Mind you it's a good challenge.

I could have voted for mine, and I thought it had a chance, but to me it didn't feel right to do so.

I voted for the OC in the end but like every OWC feel it can be criticisied. To me it was weak on originality but well written and structured, with a good sense of mood.

I made an early case for the first stop and felt it has excellent visuals but is disjointed and needs a bit of work. Then again every script does.

Others scripts that resounded were Sweep (had a dark tone I enjoyed with a tough of mystery), Asylum (loved the idea of ghosts being lonely and wanting to play) but to be honest with 38 a lot of subtleness gets forgotten or lost.

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Dialogue may make it to the screen (although, as you say, not according to Ms Alba). Not a single other line will in its original form. It's just a camera shot.

I totally agree with you about it not being read...and would never say that good writing is to be frowned upon in a script...but from a certain perspective it's also completely irrelevant.

Pressing play on a camera instantly erases all bad slugs, punctuation, spelling mistakes, awkward phrasing...but the one thing it can't do is improve the premise or the story.

It just depends on what you're looking for, I suppose.

Are you looking for the script that you think has the potential to make the best film...or the script that is the best as the final product?

Maybe they're the same thing, but not necessarily so.

It just depends on the criteria that you are using to select the choice...and subjective opinion of course.
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Rick, you are a film maker, and a good one at that. You see things a bit differently. I agree with what you've said, it all becomes irrelevant once the cameras roll. Most of us here are simply(no pun intended) writers. If they want their script to make a run at the gauntlet, it has to be very polished and well-written IMO.

If they know a film maker and are just writing a story for them, let the typos flow so long as the story is good. If you're sitting at your PC with no friends in the biz and trying to break into it with a screenplay, having it polished could only help their chances...

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A script should be well written. I think it's this idea that if a script violates certain writing and format rules it is therefore poorly written that's the problem.

I just went back to a feature I recently completed and did something that would really piss off a lot of people here: I underlined. Not extensively, very selectively. But there are certain things in the action that I am afraid the fast reader will skip over, things that will cause him to misunderstand larger events. So I underline to help the reader out.

I am seeing this done in most spec scripts I am reading. Some use it too much, but it's not stopping these things from getting sold for large dollars. I seriously doubt that any reader that matters will reject a script because of some underlining.

If I were to send this script to a contest, I would get rid of the underlining. Because the judges in the early rounds, who are minimum wage workers, not industry people, might use something like underlining as an excuse to reject a script and shorten their pile.

Not conforming to some purist version of screenwriting rules is NOT necessarily the same as BAD writing. There were scripts in the OWC that were good writing, just not writing in compliance with the purity test.  
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I'm not sure how I'm so routinely misunderstood or misquoted, but hey, what can ya do?

So, for the record, I have never said anything about stopping a read because there is a single orphan, or because there's a missing comma, an awkward line, poor Slugs, lazy writing, weak technical writing, etc.

What I said, and what I say all the time is that there's a certain line in which something is either acceptable or unacceptable, and if there are mistakes on literally every single line, that's obviously unacceptable, and if that script was presented to any actual reader, producer, director, or any other person of authority, it would be shut down very quickly.  Period.

How many mistakes are acceptable?  I guess the answer differs for each individual, and the big problem is that most individuals don't even realize where mistakes are.

Rick, Kevin, and anyone else who cares to listen...if you recieved 1,000 scripts to film, do you really think you'd continue reading any of them if they were obviously poorly written and amateur hour 101?  You think you have time to read 100,000 pages to find which script is really the very best "story"?  No, you won't.  And if you did, and chose a crapfest written script, please understand, it would have to completely be rewritten, pretty much from scratch, meaning, yuo'd pay the original "writer", and give him credit for story, and then hire another screenwriter to rewrite the script, and pay him and give him credit for "written by".

Kevin, I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about in these Spec scripts you're reading, but I bet ya they're not "poorly written" in the big picture.  Sure, I may take issue with certain things they do, but in terms of this OWC, what I was talking about, was very poorly written stuff when I threw in teh towel before page 2.  If I stopped after that, something else wasn't working for me and I didn't want to invest the time it would take to read the next whatever amount of pages.  My pesonal choice.

People think I'm so picky or whatever, but c'mon, peeps, just elarn how to frickin' write and we'll have no problems.  It ain't rocket science...


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Rick, you are a film maker, and a good one at that. You see things a bit differently.


I'm currently doing script coverage for a local production company.  I consider it part of the job to stop the company from spending X dollars on a script that will, ultimately, suck.  And I've written 'pass' on most of the scripts I've read.

I haven't said that a script should be tossed out for misspellings or for formatting errors.  At the same time, seeing a lot of these mistakes in the first few pages puts me in a bad mood.  This, of course, doesn't help the script.


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If I stopped after that, something else wasn't working for me and I didn't want to invest the time it would take to read the next whatever amount of pages.  My personal choice.

People think I'm so picky or whatever, but c'mon, peeps, just learn how to frickin' write and we'll have no problems.  It ain't rocket science...


But it is Rocket Science, Jeff. If it were so easy, some of our best minds would certainly be raking it all in as we speak, but... after all...

Nobody is. Nor will they ever be. Why? Because they/you/me are always challenging The Bar.

Can you imagine the bore it would be if we all of a sudden hit "Your Standard"?!

Seriously Jeff. Not just your standard, but my standard?!

Everything would come to some kind of ludicrous grinding halt. There would be no need for any such (what we deem as) necessary communication on the boards. No. We need to fight. We need to have variations in opinion-- That's:

What makes this a home!!!  

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I'm currently doing script coverage for a local production company.  I consider it part of the job to stop the company from spending X dollars on a script that will, ultimately, suck.  And I've written 'pass' on most of the scripts I've read.

I haven't said that a script should be tossed out for misspellings or for formatting errors.  At the same time, seeing a lot of these mistakes in the first few pages puts me in a bad mood.  This, of course, doesn't help the script.


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Let me clarify in case it was not clear for some reason: I am not suggesting scripts should be poorly written with spelling and grammar mistakes, or formatting that suggests the person has never written a script. What I'm saying is that scripts should not be called "bad writing" because they have a few asides or orphans, or have bold slugs or some other format variation. And in the case of OWC's, I think a little latitude should be given in terms of polishing.

The spec scripts I was referring to, yes, were all reasonably well written as far as I could tell.  But all of them had things right on page one that would drive people here crazy and cause many to stop reading. Not bad writing, but writing choices and styles that conflict with the purist philosophy in vogue here.

One more thing: if someone is reviewing scripts here, and they disagree with a scripts writing or formatting, and mention that in review...great! It helps the writer and everyone else. I'm just saying things like that should not be what stops a script from being read. Bad writing...yes, that can stop a read. But we're not grading scripts like grade school papers. We're looking at scripts that would make good film.
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Quoted from Scar Tissue Films

Pressing play on a camera instantly erases all bad slugs, punctuation, spelling mistakes, awkward phrasing...but the one thing it can't do is improve the premise or the story.


After yesterday's pitch event, I couldn't agree more with this thinking.
I shopped around my new feature at Sherwood Oaks.
I got a very favorable response to the premise from producers and managers.
The twenty somethings, not so much. But the older crowd was on board.
Of course they want to look over the script too. But that was an after thought.

I got the distinct impression they're looking more for "bulletproof" premises.
That thing that puts a new spin on a classic structure/scenario.
They're searching for that thing that makes the "game" feel new again.
It was such a rush being in the room with folks like that.

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Quoted from dogglebe

I'm currently doing script coverage for a local production company.  I consider it part of the job to stop the company from spending X dollars on a script that will, ultimately, suck.  And I've written 'pass' on most of the scripts I've read.

Phil


Phil,

I'm doing a similar deal out here, and developing some producer's material too.
And you've touched upon a critical thing most don't.
When I provide notes on a script, I act like it's my money being spent.
It's a simple, but universal sentiment folks really respond to.
Treat everything like the cash was coming out of your pocket.
Especially on scripts being sent out to agencies after you vetted them.

I've never put down a script with sloppy format/grammar from the company.
However, it does make it harder for the writer to win me over.
And I make sure the producer knows that.
That agent over at CAA is going to be much less tolerant than me.
That reason alone is why you can't have those kind of mistakes.
No agency is going to shop around something like that.

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Brett, hopefully you realize I wish you all the success in the world with your scripts.

But your quote about Producers or whoever looking merely for premises/ideas/etc. is a perfect example of exactly what's wrong in the film making business.

There are countless movies being made that have good or even great premises.  The problem is that almost none of them actually deliver on that premise, and a good 90% or more turn out to be huge disapointments and downright crappy movies.

Why does this happen?  Well, IMO, it's simple and crystal clear.

Poor writing.  No or little thought.  No attention to detail.  100's of "little things" that weren't properly done up front and either snuck through or were never even addressed.  Bottom line is that the actual script wasn't the reason the poject was funded.

But, most likely, the bigger problem is that the majority of Producers or decsion makers literally don't care about this stuff.  They don't see this stuff.  They don't realize it's missing or lacking.

They're only concerned about putting butts in seats and selling tickets.  They don't care that those butts turn around and walk out hating what they wasted their hard earned money on.


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There are countless movies being made that have good or even great premises.  The problem is that almost none of them actually deliver on that premise, and a good 90% or more turn out to be huge disapointments and downright crappy movies.

Could you provide a short list of some good/great premises films the producers failed to deliver on?
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Quoted from Dreamscale

But your quote about Producers or whoever looking merely for premises/ideas/etc. is a perfect example of exactly what's wrong in the film making business.

There are countless movies being made that have good or even great premises.  The problem is that almost none of them actually deliver on that premise, and a good 90% or more turn out to be huge disapointments and downright crappy movies.


Sure, if the premise isn't developed thoroughly, it's a problem.
But at this initial stage of meeting, it's all about the premise.
The script comes next when I send it, and hopefully we talk after that.

But, when pitching someone that doesn't know you, an innovative premise is king.
I saw yesterday it's the kind of "currency" that gets people interested in YOU.

A solid premise is just the tip of the iceberg, IMO.
It's the impetus to collaborating with others that are excited about the premise.
Then, as a "team of believers" hopefully move forward on said premise.
Which is why I'd like to stay on my stuff in a producer capacity.
Shepherd it with others that have more industry experience.

I agree that a great premise is just the foundation, not the completion.
I do agree that exhaustive exploration of a good premise is key.

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Sorry, Ray, I don't have time, and I don't think it matters.  My words are falling on deaf ears.

SS is a site of writers (obviously   ).  You'd think that would mean that well written scripts would be praised, coveted, and encouraged.  For some reason, the exact opposite seems to be true.

So few SS'ers really know how to write.  If I were to grade the OWC scripts, I'd bet 90% would fail miserably in terms of High School English mistakes.  That's sad, IMO...really sad.  It's even sader, considering all the online resources available, as well as spell check right on everyone's screenwriting software.

I don't get it, and it's becomming more and more apparent I never will.

People continually praise ehat they see as "great story", when the reality of the situation is a few minutes or maybe a few hours of thought was put into it.  That's not much, and actually, that's very, very little.  It's because of this that if one really examines these "great stories", gaping plot and logic holes stare back blindly through empty eye sockets of grinning Jack o Lanterns (a little Halloween analogy for ya'll).

I watched Hostel last night for teh 2nd night in a row and this time, pulled a Ray, and listened to the commentary track.  Very enlightening in some ways, kind of a waste in others.  But, a few great points were made from QT and ER that I agree with 100% and always employ myself -

It has to do with asking questions (either to yourself or out loud in a roundtable) about details that aren't addressed in the script.  You'll find once you address these various questions (which can and should be about literally anything and everything), your script will be so much stronger and make so much more sense. When you don't do this, chances are great that your script will be ridddled with holes you don't even realize are there, and that "great story" you think you have isn't really that great at all and all your left with is the premise.


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Fair enough.

BTW, Eli Roth's commentaries (there are many) on CABIN FEVER are some of the best.



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Yeah, ray, I agree.  I think ER is pretty smart and very good at what he does.

It was him who brought up the point I made above.  He was hanging out with QT and Scott Spiegle, discussing Hostel.  QT kept drilling him over and over about stuff that, at teh time, seemed very random and nitpicky, but as it played out, it made sense, and made the script as strong as it turned out to be, as opposed to things happening to further the plot.

It's a true journey that both the characters and audience are put through.  It's so far from classic 3 act structure or anything any of the so called Gurus preach to the masses.  And, I guess it's no suprise that it's a philosphy I follow on my work.  And even cooler, it's a process that I've done from Day 1, not even realizing some of my SR heroes do as well.


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Damn Jeff, whatever sense you were making kind of flew out of the window when you mentioned Hostel. That film is full of plot holes, coincidences and illogicalities.

The point you're missing is that this is a OWC...yes the stories have literally taken a few hours to write. They've gone from premise creation to final product in a tiny amount of time. Most people have to work for the majority of the week, have other commitments...etc.

These aren't scripts that are being sent to festivals, competitions or studioes...they are first drafts.

Ultimately, from my point of view, the questions: Is this a good story and would this make for a film that I'd want to see?...are more important to me than whether it's perfectly written. Especially with a short.

It works that way with professional novels as well. They are all "well-written" to a degree...but some stories just don't affect you emotionally, or excite you in the way others do.

It's imperative if you want to sell a script to Hollywood that they are perfectly written, and in actuality it's THAT that results in the poor films you see, not the other way around. It's style of writing over content that wins out in the present system.

The premise is of killer importance though. It's the thing that gets people in the seats..."Have you heard about that new film about...?". If the premise doesn't grab you, you aren't going to pay your money...which is why so many of the films that are critically acclaimed don't tend to make as much dough as "high concept" films.
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Rick, I completely disagree with you about Hostel, but we both know that we have different opinions on the film.  It will confuse me forever how anyone can say it wasn't a solid film that opened the door to a new sub genre, and brought in boat loads of cash to all involved.

Another subject I completely disagree with you on is your statement about "perfectly written" scripts being sold and that being the cause of poor films.  IMO, the opposite is true.  The scripts that are selling are very poorly written scripts, that are filled with unfilmables, asides, and "clever, hip" writing that does not transfer to film, and thus, these "awesome" scripts in these knucklehead's opinions don't turn out to be the films they thought they'd be, based on the scripts they read.  In other words, they are very poor readers and can't tell what will make a good film and what won't.

Your "great premise" ideology is humorous to me, as in theory, you're talking about reiventing the wheel, when in reality, all you need to do to make a successfull and "good" movie, is create a nice round wheel that rolls along comfortably.

For instance, if someone would just write a nice, solid, realistic werewolf script, and someone put some money into the FX, it wouldn't matter one bit what the premise was.  Instead, Universal wasted $150 Million on the crapfest known as The Wolfman, last year, and the results were no surprise whatsoever.

Same goes with any premise, old or new.  Write a good script, pay attention to detail.  Write beleivable dialogue and engaging characters, adn you're good to go.


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That's kind of fine for features.

For shorts however, it doesn't really work. There are literally millions of them, so they need that something extra to be remembered. In any given festival there will be hundreds of films you are competing against. You need something that makes it stand out from the crowd, something that people remember after they've all been seen and the lights are on...maybe something they'll remember for weeks afterwards.

As for the great premise...I'm not talking about re-inventing the wheel..just a fresh twist on a standard genre. That's really all it is.

Without an inventive premise, you make it a very tough sell indeed.

Name some of these solid wheel type films that have been successful. They are probably few and far between without large marketing budgets or without impressive marketing hooks.
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OK, Rick, I wasn't talking just about shorts...probably more about features in general.

Sorry...thought that was quite clear.

There are very few solid wheel type films.  That's my point. That's what's missing in teh film industry.  Everyone's trying to find the next great whatever and they're failing miserably.  Just give us a good movies...well written movies.  That's all we need.  Movies nowadays mostly suck ass,a dn it's because of poor decisions from people who think they're smart, but actually don't know what the Hell they're talking about.


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I really don't know how you'd sell an "ordinary" premise to anyone to be honest...especially in your example of Werewolf films.

http://boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=werewolf.htm

They just don't seem to have much draw. The only real hits have been the fantasy type ones...it's a stretch to call Underworld or Twilight Werewolf movies....and they both have novel premises in their own way.

This last decade has seen something of a revival of werewolf stuff at the cinemas, but I'm far from convinced a standard werewolf flick, with no discernible selling point is going to do well.

You're going back to the eighties to find a real hit with the likes of American Werewolf...made famous largely because of the special effects...everyone was talking about the transformation sequence. Even if you do it even better now...it's not got the marketing hook it did then.

Teen Wolf was exactly the thing I'm talking about...take the old and re-invent it. Telling the trad. Werewolf story in a high school context. That's where the gravy is.

On a side-note: There's never been a great werewolf story told in all of history. "Darker than you Think" is probably the best...but it's more about "Witch people" who can transform into anything...including Dinosaurs. Or perhaps "The werewolf of Paris"..which was adapted into "The Curse of the Werewolf"...one of the better werewolf films.

"Just another" werewolf story isn't going to cut it, I don't think. I think you have to push the bar personally.

The big problem though is what Brett's talking about:

The Producers need a marketing hook. If you don't have one, then the film becomes 100% "execution dependent"...everything has to go right for anyone to want to see it. Actors are off the game, the FX don't quite come off as planned...you've got no selling point. It also means you're relying on word of mouth...but "good" doesn't get tongues wagging...and OK certainly doesn't.

Basically, I just have to disagree with you. You can't go on the lookout for just "good" scripts, because the chances are they'll end up mediocre as a film...and you're out to sea. You've got to find the great ideas and then hope for the best, knowing that if it doesn;t turn out, you've still got that marketing hook.
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Congrats on your win, Ryan!!!

Bit of a shock after this thread, but well done.
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Rick, sorry for the delay, but seeing yuor recent post made me realize i didn't respond back to you.

My Werewolf example was a generic example, meaning any subject, and genre, and story can be well done and a good, popular, money making movie...if it's indeed well done, well written, well thought out, etc.

Problem is that almost nothing these days is.  That's what I'm saying.  That's my point.  Good scripts - good in every single way - should be given a real chance as opposed to concepts that rarely if ever pan out.


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