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Nun the Wiser (currently 4069 views) |
Don |
Posted: June 11th, 2020, 11:36am |
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AdministratorAdministrator So, what are you writing?
LocationVirginia Posts16820 Posts Per Day 1.92 |
Nun the Wiser by David C Lambertson - Comedy - A nun and a prostitute take a cross-country road trip to discover whether either of them chose the right profession. 118 pages - pdf format
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eldave1 |
Posted: June 11th, 2020, 11:45am |
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LocationSouthern California Posts6874 Posts Per Day 1.80 |
Thanks Don for getting this up so fast.
Anyhoo:
Wanted to get a road comedy in my inventory because - well, I didn't have one. So this is just kind of a light-hearted one that's based on a short I wrote for an OWC (Nun too Soon) a long time ago. |
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Yuvraj |
Posted: June 11th, 2020, 12:06pm |
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LocationWhy you wanna know? Posts811 Posts Per Day 0.44 |
Just when I read the logline, it striked me that this is a fleshed out version of your short script. Gonna read this soon. |
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eldave1 |
Posted: June 11th, 2020, 12:07pm |
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LocationSouthern California Posts6874 Posts Per Day 1.80 |
Just when I read the logline, it striked me that this is a fleshed out version of your short script. Gonna read this soon. |
Yes - it is - thanks |
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Mr. Blonde |
Posted: June 11th, 2020, 12:34pm |
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AdministratorWhat good are choices if they're all bad?
LocationNowhere special. Posts3063 Posts Per Day 0.54 |
Must be summer (ish). Everyone's bringing out the big guns. Dave, this one will also go on the list after I finish up. =)
P.S. I still think you should make that foray into horror... |
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eldave1 |
Posted: June 11th, 2020, 3:11pm |
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LocationSouthern California Posts6874 Posts Per Day 1.80 |
Must be summer (ish). Everyone's bringing out the big guns. Dave, this one will also go on the list after I finish up. =)
P.S. I still think you should make that foray into horror... |
Thanks, mate |
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stevie |
Posted: June 12th, 2020, 1:45am |
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LocationDown Under Posts3433 Posts Per Day 0.58 |
Just finished reading this and highly recommend it! A breeze to read, engaging characters and some real funny lines. Do yourself a favour. I would nearly dub the writing as ‘effortless’ but only the Beatles achieved that moniker |
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spesh2k |
Posted: June 12th, 2020, 2:21am |
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LocationHarlem USA Posts1186 Posts Per Day 0.19 |
Got this on my list, Dave. Should get to this within the next week.
-- Michael |
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eldave1 |
Posted: June 12th, 2020, 3:43pm |
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LocationSouthern California Posts6874 Posts Per Day 1.80 |
Just finished reading this and highly recommend it! A breeze to read, engaging characters and some real funny lines. Do yourself a favour. I would nearly dub the writing as ‘effortless’ but only the Beatles achieved that moniker |
Thanks, Steve - appreciated |
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eldave1 |
Posted: June 12th, 2020, 3:44pm |
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LocationSouthern California Posts6874 Posts Per Day 1.80 |
Got this on my list, Dave. Should get to this within the next week.
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Cool |
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Reef Dreamer |
Posted: June 12th, 2020, 4:26pm |
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LocationThe Island of Jersey Posts2643 Posts Per Day 0.54 |
Dave
This is an outstanding title and idea. Reminds me of `Brett`martins (electric dreamer) Clone Wife...the kind of concept that just made you sit up.
As those in the know say, it’s Something you could see on billboards.
I hope to read, but as a starter, this is very sound.
All the best |
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eldave1 |
Posted: June 12th, 2020, 5:05pm |
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LocationSouthern California Posts6874 Posts Per Day 1.80 |
Dave
This is an outstanding title and idea. Reminds me of `Brett`martins (electric dreamer) Clone Wife...the kind of concept that just made you sit up.
As those in the know say, it’s Something you could see on billboards.
I hope to read, but as a starter, this is very sound.
All the best |
Thanks, buddy |
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Sam |
Posted: June 13th, 2020, 10:09am |
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Hey, I read up to page 40. It’s really well written and no technical issues. The action and dialogue are clean and I was never confused about where the characters were or what was happening.
For the most part I enjoyed the story and the relationship between the two characters. I’ve only read the setup and your goal is to get these two characters on the road and I felt at times the plot elements you used to make this happen felt a bit forced. What I mean is certain things felt a little coincidental for the sake of plot. The camper-van is donated to the church and it has to be driven across country and it has to be this nun to do it…
I also didn’t get the impression that these were two characters who NEEDED to go on this journey. Kimberley’s life as a prostitute seems great. She doesn’t seem to be doing it out of financial need or to compensate for an emotional weakness. I don’t know what she wants. It’s the same for Theresa. In Thelma and Louise we have a clear understanding of the characters before they set off. We know what their lives are like and it’s obvious this trip is going to change them because we know they need to change.
I thought it was a bit strange that Kimberley works in a brothel. I live above a brothel and I had to go in once to fetch a parcel that our idiot postman left there and it’s incredibly depressing and the women didn’t speak much English. Kimberley seems more like an escort because she has an air of independence about her. It’s just something that stood out to me as a bit odd that’s all. These two woman are essentially products of their environments and by taking them out and putting them on the road we can see who they really are. At the moment they don’t seem like products of their environments so taking them out of that has less impact.
I’m not sure if we need the police/phone plot but I’ve only read the start so I could be wrong. I feel like you’ve got enough great stuff to work with without this story element. One more thing I’ll mention is jokes. One thing professional comedy scripts have is jokes in every scene and in good comedies it’s actually every line but you have the scene between Theresa and her father for instance with no jokes. Squeeze every bit of comedy out of your scenes.
I hope you find this constructive and remember I’m not even a fessional let alone a professional. These comments are all off of the back of a really good script. These are just some thoughts I had while reading. The set up is the part of the script I struggle with the most so I’m more sensitive to the start of scripts. |
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eldave1 |
Posted: June 13th, 2020, 11:12am |
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LocationSouthern California Posts6874 Posts Per Day 1.80 |
Hey, I read up to page 40. It’s really well written and no technical issues. The action and dialogue are clean and I was never confused about where the characters were or what was happening. |
Hey, Sam - thanks a ton for the read and comments.
Quoted Text For the most part I enjoyed the story and the relationship between the two characters. I’ve only read the setup and your goal is to get these two characters on the road and I felt at times the plot elements you used to make this happen felt a bit forced. What I mean is certain things felt a little coincidental for the sake of plot. The camper-van is donated to the church and it has to be driven across country and it has to be this nun to do it…
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Don't agree here as given their divergent backgrounds they are only going to take that journey together through some set of odd circumstances. But I appreciate you view.
Quoted Text I also didn’t get the impression that these were two characters who NEEDED to go on this journey. Kimberley’s life as a prostitute seems great. She doesn’t seem to be doing it out of financial need or to compensate for an emotional weakness. I don’t know what she wants. It’s the same for Theresa.
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The "need" for the journey wasn't important for me to for either character. Theresa is ordered, Kimberly goes on a whim. They don't need to travel per se - but they both need to determine what they are going to do with their lives. I like your point on Kimberly though. I think I could use a little more "why now" for her given that she is relatively happy with her life.
Quoted Text I thought it was a bit strange that Kimberley works in a brothel. I live above a brothel and I had to go in once to fetch a parcel that our idiot postman left there and it’s incredibly depressing and the women didn’t speak much English. Kimberley seems more like an escort because she has an air of independence about her. It’s just something that stood out to me as a bit odd that’s all. These two woman are essentially products of their environments and by taking them out and putting them on the road we can see who they really are. At the moment they don’t seem like products of their environments so taking them out of that has less impact.
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This isn't that kind of brothel. This is the high-end $500 to $1,000 a night kind - like the Emperor Club visited by Elliot Spitzer.
Quoted Text I’m not sure if we need the police/phone plot but I’ve only read the start so I could be wrong. I feel like you’ve got enough great stuff to work with without this story element.
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It is a key element - it provides the need for the chase. That being said - it is worth re-examing of a chase is needed.
Quoted Text One more thing I’ll mention is jokes. One thing professional comedy scripts have is jokes in every scene and in good comedies it’s actually every line but you have the scene between Theresa and her father for instance with no jokes. Squeeze every bit of comedy out of your scenes.
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Disagree here. Yeah, it some outright comedies you're right. But many comedies have serious, even tragic moments - I intend this to be in that category.
Quoted Text I hope you find this constructive and remember I’m not even a fessional let alone a professional. These comments are all off of the back of a really good script. These are just some thoughts I had while reading. The set up is the part of the script I struggle with the most so I’m more sensitive to the start of scripts. |
I did and thank you much for weighing in - much appreciated. |
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Sam |
Posted: June 13th, 2020, 12:59pm |
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When I say NEED I mean more of an emotional need than a story need. I’m surprised to hear you say it wasn’t important. For example does an uptight, naïve nun learn to stop trying to control every aspect of her life and have more perspective and does a cynical, depressed prostitute learn to trust and find something worth living for? That’s obviously a paint by numbers example and I’m an idiot for explaining that to you but I think the story would strengthen if you sharpened the edges around your characters. My criticism seems pretty negative and I just want to say again, I really enjoyed reading it. You’ve really got something.
Because it is so strong I wasn’t suggesting big changes but I thought some moments in the story could have had added weight if we had a clearer understanding of the characters early on. That was just my experience. It was more a case of making the good parts great.
I know what you’re saying about comedies having serious and tragic moments but those scenes are usually punctuated with a funny pay off. It’s been a bit of an eye opener reading professional comedy scripts and realizing how many jokes are on a page. I don’t mean gag after gag for cheap laughs but rather constructing comedy out of every scene. You’re very good at constructing scenes. You know when to enter and when to leave and they flow nicely.
The scene with Theresa and her father isn’t serious or tragic and I bet if you went back you could think of a comedic payoff. It’s about a man who sleeps with prostitutes having dinner with his daughter who is becoming a nun after all.
I had no idea those brothels existed. There’s a whole world I never knew about. Thanks for the insight. Anyway, you’re very talented and I learnt a lot from reading the opening so thank you. |
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