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Wow! This is exciting! The loglines all sound so great!
I can't wait until tomorrow to start reading them.
I'm off to work right now. Darn it.
Cindy
Award winning screenwriter Available screenplays TINA DARLING - 114 page Comedy ONLY OSCAR KNOWS - 99 page Horror A SONG IN MY HEART - 94 page Drama HALLOWEEN GAMES - 105 page Drama
Yes, thank you. I thought I asked that on another board. I didn't know this one was here.
40... that doesn't seem too bad.
Brian,
You did mention on another board. I moved some stuff around thinking I'll organize everything to make sense. However, this made no sense to anyone but me.
Forty scripts is over the top considering that the challenge was advertised to only SimplyScripts Discussion Board members and MoviePoetmembers.
For those who care, the record for an OWC 45
I think I mentioned already that this seemed like a family reunion.
Quoted from mcornetto
Already got the theme...
But I'm not going to tell you...
I'll just leave you hanging...
Michaell,
You really cut it to the quick on this one. You were the first to guess, albeit obliquely, the pseudonym theme which was suggested by Darren (aka DarrenJamesSeeley).
Most names (other than those provided by OWC writers his/her selves) are known executioners (mostly European).
Thanks to all that played along. Extra point to those folks who know but were able to be subtle about it.
You really cut it to the quick on this one. You were the first to guess, albeit obliquely, the pseudonym theme which was suggested by Darren (aka DarrenJamesSeeley).
Most names (other than those provided by OWC writers his/her selves) are known executioners (mostly European).
Thanks to all that played along. Extra point to those folks who know but were able to be subtle about it.
Don
Don
Do I get an extra point on top of the extra point?
Thanks to all that played along. Extra point to those folks who know but were able to be subtle about it.
Don
I should get a bonus point for figuring out that the Son of Babara MacDonald L. was synonymous for John D. McDonald who wrote "The Executioners" aka Cape Fear.
I didn't think I was going to participate as I had just started a project that I really wanted to keep working on. But then I decided why not take a day off from it and write one? If that sounds naive...yes, guilty as charged.
Writing the story took substantially less than a day, but tweaking it during the weak certainly becomes a distraction. And then there are the days lost to reading the stories carefully and commenting. So this definitely set back the timetable for my project by at least a week. However....it was more than worth it.
As a new writer, I had never written a short. But the experience was invaluable for several reasons. For one thing, a lot of what happens in a feature happens in a short, but in a more focused way. Seems to me what you learn you apply to features. Also, the contest is a great way to get multiple people to discuss your work, the only way to get better. And reading all the other stories and sharing the comments is like a crash course in scripting. I learned as much about formatting and other aspects to writing in the last week as in the previous months.
So I raise my glass for those who ran this and those who participated. Cheers!
As far as the stories, I am not sure anyone hit it out of the park, in my opinion. Some could be close after rewrites. The Captive is possibly a home run for me, depending on how certain questions I have are answered. The short about Shark Tooth was extremely well written, especially the dialogue, which was simply amazing in my estimation. The story itself did not blow me away, but the writing did. And the story about the guy who faced a captured creature on a boat, and who had paid a high price to face that creature, was a great effort, though it needs major surgery to work.
There were stories that were incredibly well written but that had logic gaps, or lacked development, or thematic content. And of course there were those where the opposite holds true.
I don't know how the process works, but I look forward to seeing the rewrites, watching some of the stories with potential develop. Again, thanks to everyone!
Now I'm even more curious! I'm afarid I'm not on here everyday, so it goes over my head and I'm just not ignorant enough to poke my nose into other peoples business. Better just to forget it and move on then.
There once was a Godly man, Who like Jesus, said, I am Then given a taint He said thank God I ain't And succumbed to likings of Sam.
Raspberries to you, DJ. I pussed-out and sent in only my cheap-to-produce story. Looks like I shoulda just tossed in the big-budget one, too.
Congratulations on your reads. Sincerely.
Yes, that second entry...I actually hit the wrong window before I saved it and lost it- I went back to my notes and turned it out the next day. Got most of it back down, but I still made a blunder of sorts...I didn't see it until ten minutes before deadline.
More on this later. Hopefully the Submit page will open up again so I can get the correct version up.
Alright, Havent read them all. I will read anyone who's read mine after the reveal. Gonna toss out my top five though... No particular order. Lotsa great scripts this go around.
Them That's Dead, The God Stick, Monsters, Territory, and The Cries. I know four of the five writers. No favoritism. Just honesty.
I'd like to hear what others think. I'm pretty sure Rick doesn't get swayed by opinion, if he even chooses to do one. This was fun.
Gonna toss out my top five though... No particular order. Lotsa great scripts this go around...
I'd like to hear what others think. I'm pretty sure Rick doesn't get swayed by opinion, if he even chooses to do one. This was fun.
I like different ones for different reasons.
For a sensible, low-budget horror that a horror crowd might like to actually watch I'd go with The Flesh Won't Be Missed. It's got blood up front, an axe, body parts, dead bodies, plastic, bodies in the lake, creepy witch candle made of a guy's hand, freaky time thing, a smart arse engaged in petty robbery, and a nasty girlfriend who uses her witchy-womanly-wiles to keep the cycle going. It's nice. Pretty much off the shelf it's good to go. A few sets, nothing unreasonable. A few cheap props. Handful of actors (four, was it? if you got the last guy to double as the first dead one). Good to go. Done.
Honorable mention would be Water. The only prop needed was a cup of water to spit out. Actors + easy settings + 1liter of bottled water = good to go. Kudos! Not really HORROR!!!! But could be done on a dime. Or gas money and a liter of water, really.
For a big budget short, prime for feature potential, would be Them That's Dead. Them characters got legs on 'em! ARRRGH!!! Edging it away from PoTC might be tough, though. Producers might balk or want to turn it into a farce.
Second fave big SFX story would be The Maidens A wee expensive with all the superimposition and layering, but it would look fantastic with the right budget and set designer.
By far, my personal favorite to read was Frame Of the Open Door. A p!ss-poor, terrible horror story but wonderful story and imagry. The girls are beautiful - inside, of course. (Outside... pish posh. Who cares? Cast MILFs if you must. ) How they worked together and cared for each other was just beautiful.
A couple of honorable mentions would go to Imposter (Impostor, if possible), The God Stick and Die Screaming The characters and or dialog+action were very memorable. In a... positive way, of course.
We are still discussing scripts at SimplyScripts, right? (Sometimes I can be a little slow).
I love your avatar Chris!! Hard to get mad at you!
Anyway, I was going to read another script tonight, but I had to spend that precious time deleting posts... Not that my comments are that great, but please keep the convo related to the OWC!!
Lets! So I'm wondering:
Do you all think we should choose our personal favorite based on excellent general execution-- the ones we know are polished?
Or:
Should we choose according to an inner feeling or prompt that tells us, yes, this would make a really good film, but it needs a little bit of...
I'm really wondering about this because the easy road is not always the better one.
Can anyone offer any examples of what I'm referring to?
It's very difficult. It comes down to a person getting a "vibe" I think when all is said and done. And because we're all so different, that vibe is going to happen with different stories.
It's been almost a week. I see nothing wrong in starting to guess writers. I also have no problem with mentioning favorites.
Ultimately it's up to Rick if he feels a script fits his idea/vision for a film he had in mind.
Excluding my own two (I'm not into self praise all that much; but I found Ray W's comments on my junk to be rather..."honorable" and my second has a major revision that will be up soon) my top five are, in order
Captive Them That's Dead Water And I Take You Bell Tolls
I'm not arguing anything, Michael, but what I'm questioning is how many did he read, and how many didn't he read to come up with those "Top 5"? Is that wrong or surprising?
As I said, 2 of those were piss poor, in obvious terms and in the general consensus even. Is it odd to question that?
As I said, 2 of those were piss poor, in obvious terms and in the general consensus even. Is it odd to question that?
No. For you it is not odd to question that. However, it's not really your business. If he wants to tell you how many he read or how he came to that decision - then fine - but he doesn't HAVE to do that.
It seems like this is a thanksgiving dinner where every board/family member pissed on the other's shoes upon entering the house. Why is everyone so upset these days?
And those top 5 are based on your reading every entry...cause you sure haven't posted on every one, DJS. Just wondering...
1- I didn't comment on two of them for a good reason (they were my own-but that will happen in the next day or two)
2- Many comments have echoed what I would have said; there is nothing more I could add. So I didn't comment on those few.
But rest assured, I read every last one of them. I'm not thrilled in the least with your finger pointing. Hasn't there been enough BS in the thread? Ironic that you're the one to bark....well, maybe not.
It seems like this is a thanksgiving dinner where every board/family member pissed on the other's shoes upon entering the house. Why is everyone so upset these days?
No, Baltis. I didn't piss on the shoes. It looks like I peed on the turkey. >
Im kind of with Darren, after so many previous comments whats the point of basically saying the same thing a lot of other people already did. But I do admit I havent read them all yet, and its getting tougher lol. I will make it though, just not saying what year. :]
DJS, I don't think Jeff should've singled you out. I think you did your fair share of reading. Plus, since jeff is my temporary nemesis, I like to piss him off.
Don't take it personal, I'm sure he's referring to the amount of reads you give on the daily boards, I've said it too. You post alot of scripts, you've got some writing chops, and you didn't review much in the beginning. You're doing a good deal more now.
Jeff's a good reviewer. Even if he tears your script to shreads, there's still some good points in it. Don't alienate him. You might want to seek his advice if you ever write a feature. I know I would.
Let me add to what I posted above. Maybe its a good idea to say something, even if just "congrates for doing it". Dunno, I do think we have the right to comment or not, I dont think theres a rule about it, or is there?
Threre's no rule, But I thought anyone who participates should at least comment on three scripts. I think that used to be mentioned at the start of the OWC. DJS is an active board member and did more than his fair share this Go 'round. I know he read mine.
The thing is if you read and commented on all scripts you may say so. If you did not comment on all scripts and saying you are - this is simply not true. (there's a reason I'm saying that)
I'm not up for pinpointing and singling out but if you are saying you commented on all and you didn't - you are not being truthful that's all.
I'm sorry to upset anyone. Why not just say I read them all but did not comment on all?
Tastes great...less filling. I'm getting ready to jump the bar!
I think when the names are released this argument will end on its own, as people will have stuff to do again. Once the authors get to chime and explain their scripts, that should keep us busy.
BTW, I have a rewrite on my script, and if anyone else has done the same and wants to exchange reads before resubmitting, let me know.
Darren (and everyone else), sorry for calling you out, but I just found it incredibly strange that you would, or even could list 2 of the poorer scripts in this batch as your Top 5 favorites. It made me think you must not have read very many, if those are what stuck out in your head. Sorry. To each is own, and I do understand and respect that.
BUT, it's even stranger to me to think that you (or anyone else) would take the time to read a script and then not comment...at least just to say, "Hey, I read your script, congrats on completing an OWC...not much else to add." I just don't get this philosophy or lazyass attitude.
It's shocking to me that you can't come up with at least 1 unique comment or perspective after reading a script. Maybe you're just a really poor reader and reviewer and maybe you're doing us all a favor when you choose not to leave any feedback. I don't know..
I'll be the first to admit that I haven't read every entry yet...but I'm trying, and I leave pretty extensive feedback on everything I open up, whether or not I get past Page 2. I do this because I want to help the writer. I want to throw out feedback from a different angle than he's going to otherwise hear. I want to throw out Kudos for well written and/or put together scripts, and I want to be 100% clear when a script is written poorly or thrown together without any thought or consideration for the readers.
I don't think it's asking alot to expect the same in return, but maybe it is. Nothing personal, man.
I liked many in this OWC, probably many could be good films, quite a few of the scripts had haunting scenes that will linger with me. These are my favorites, in no special order.
Cailliiix The Pond The Flesh Won't Be Missed Frame Of The Open Door Devil's Erudition Bell Tolls Bean Sidhe
I have read every script(except maybe the DingFlash one, which I read partially), and to be honest, until I see the authors replies to questions, I can't really submit a list of favs. There are several scripts that, though extremely well written, have problematic stories. In some cases the stories lack depth or thematic content, which was requested for this challenge. In other cases the characters are uninteresting. And in many the story just doesn't make sense to me.
For some of these stories, maybe the author's explanation will be enough to convince me. Or maybe just a little tweaking of the story will clear things up. For any writer willing to do those things, I am ready to look closely at any story with a fresh mind.
There is another category of entry to consider as well. Several submissions had good stories, but need work on the writing. I am not so much talking about stuff like action lines, which obviously don't get in the film. But where the veteran writers make dialogue sound much more natural, newer writers, such as myself, have to be very careful. One poorly phrased line will sink a film. So with these, again, need to see rewrites first.
Without rewrites or author clarifications, in my amateur opinion, I can't find one script that really works. I just can't. But my mind is open to arguments, and I look forward to the next stage of the process.
Darren (and everyone else), sorry for calling you out, but I just found it incredibly strange that you would, or even could list 2 of the poorer scripts in this batch as your Top 5 favorites. It made me think you must not have read very many, if those are what stuck out in your head. Sorry. To each is own, and I do understand and respect that.
BUT, it's even stranger to me to think that you (or anyone else) would take the time to read a script and then not comment...at least just to say, "Hey, I read your script, congrats on completing an OWC...not much else to add." I just don't get this philosophy or lazyass attitude.
It's shocking to me that you can't come up with at least 1 unique comment or perspective after reading a script. Maybe you're just a really poor reader and reviewer and maybe you're doing us all a favor when you choose not to leave any feedback. I don't know..
Granted, On the one script I was a bit dismayed by page 8...wait a sec...what did you say??
Do you want edit that comment of yours in any way, shape or form? Do so, I will edit/delete this.
I'll tell you this much Jeff- a regular member msged me and requested to give your script another look and suggested to comment on it if I can. I said I would. A few minutes later, you helped me change my mind. By the way, while I felt some of the writing was good, my feelings on it remained the same and all my questions like before were raised by others. I did note one thing extra that nobody else mentioned, but I chose not to post it. I even had second thoughts a few minutes ago to post it but I did not- I felt it (my comment) looked too mean spirited/tainted and I deleted it. Not that it would mean two cents to you anyway.
Reading a short script (give or take 10 pages) and not commenting is one thing; not much of one's time is used up (depends on the script I guess) Do you actually think that everyone who reads a short script here comments on that script? But now it's beyond that; my comments, short or long are of no help to anyone.
Thank you, kind sir, for smashing my knuckles with your big ruler.
I wonder what will happen on these boards if he chooses one of the more obscure or lambasted entries or better yet not chose any at all? lol But its his call right, hes the one thats making the film.
You indirectly raise another issue, Hugh. Some of these scripts would be extremely difficult to shoot. There was a water sprite that emulated the dance of a handicapped guy, a creature/person that climbed a wall like a spider, and plenty of others. Could be the greatest story ever told, but they have to be able to film it.
Hugh & Leitskev, that's why I broke my "preferred list" down to production elements vs. story elements.
The challenge was for a low budget Celtic horror short. Not a fantastical horror short. Not a cool-as-h3ll horror short. Not a Celtic mythical horror short.
Gotta keep production in mind. What can be done with locations, number of actors, props, costumes, practical effects, Adobe After Effects, some green screen effects, camera work requirements and editing concerns.
The COOLEST, BAD @SS!! story may not be the most practical one for anyone's production.
Good points all around. I'm make no pretense other than being an amature at this. But I think the jist is to have a balance between a "good" story and good visuals and if it be produced within a certain production limit.
Of course, Phil is correct, and our opinions have little relevance. But fun to discuss, and I think helps the writers a lot, some of us anyway.
If I get to a point of choosing a list, I actually will probably not take into account expense since it's way out of my field of knowledge. If someone submitted a great script that can't be filmed, I'll be happy to include it, appreciate it for what it is.
I am curious to what some of the lines are between horror, fantastical horror, mythical horror. I've already thought a lot about what constitutes "horror". Clearly there is a very wide difference in what people consider horror.
Consider some of the different possibilities. For example there is edge of your seat fear, high tension horror. And then there is spooky, creepy horror. They are very different, though a movie could include both. But they are both horror, I think. There is psycho horror, supernatural horror, and horror that has strong elements of sci fi, like Alien. I think the genre has plenty of room.
By some definitions of horror I've seen here, maybe the most common, the Sixth Sense would not be considered horror, but drama. To me it has the necessary elements: supernatural occurrences, spookiness, suspense.
I am interested in hearing anyone's thoughts on that.
Well the contest rules gave a wide birth for interpretation as to what "kind" of horror could be used. I went with Dark Fantasy as while I do enjoy a good ol slasher flick, I like aspects of creepy fantasy stuff a lot.
Sixth Sense is Horror for sure IMO, it just seems that many viewers think of horror as slasher type stuff? Dunno.
I think this is the first time that we've used the general genre of horror in a OWC. In the past, we've restricted it to gothic horror or adolescent horror, etc..
BTW, don't expect horror as the genre for the October OWC.
I agree Hugh. People think that without sliced flesh and gallons of blood, it ain't horror. To me, that kind of horror is the laziest work, and probably part of the reason I watch way more ESPN than movies.
I'm ok with blood and guts if they are part of a story, and not just used because there is no story, as is often the case. I'm also ok with it if it's meant to be funny, and is in fact humorous.
Slasher movies have appeal to Hollywood for a lot of reasons. Cheap script, cheap actors, sometimes even cheap special effects. But most of all, they simply work. People go to them, and they don't cost much to make.
But a thought on that: if you write a simple slasher script, why would it ever get discovered? The director can more or less write one himself, or give instructions to a writer already connected to the industry.
I have a friend who writes for the Comedy Channel. Last year he made a million for the year for the first time. It's because little projects just come his way now that he knows people, has been working out there for 10 years.
I think for a spec script it better be something original, with a real story, to have any chance of standing out. Yes, just my opinion.
Leitskev exactly, and thats the problem (game), how to put something original out that will get noticed. All I know is I need a lot of pratice lol. But I want to get the basics in first and study the guys getting produced. They obviously are doing something right. And if you look at the films being made now, something original would be quite different IMO.
BUT, it's even stranger to me to think that you (or anyone else) would take the time to read a script and then not comment...at least just to say, "Hey, I read your script, congrats on completing an OWC...not much else to add." I just don't get this philosophy or lazyass attitude.
Actually, I've got to chime in on this part of the conversation (out of no-where, I know.) Personally, I've read about 38 of the scripts. I've probably reviewed about 30 of them. There are one or two that I just didn't want to review - if only because I found nothing positive to say about them. Hey, that's just me, but I'm not comfortable completely slamming a script...even if it deserves it. (I leave that to Phil.) ))
And I *hate* when people add the line "congratulations on completing the OWC." That's akin to patting the writer on the head and handing them a fully patronizing cookie....
Actually, I've got to chime in on this part of the conversation (out of no-where, I know.) Personally, I've read about 38 of the scripts. I've probably reviewed about 30 of them. There are one or two that I just didn't want to review - if only because I found nothing positive to say about them. Hey, that's just me, but I'm not comfortable completely slamming a script...even if it deserves it. (I leave that to Phil.) ))
And I *hate* when people add the line "congratulations on completing the OWC." That's akin to patting the writer on the head and handing them a fully patronizing cookie....
Me, I rather say nothing...in a few cases.
I think you could acknowledge that you read it by asking questions about a script without even saying if you liked it or not.
Actually, I've got to chime in on this part of the conversation (out of no-where, I know.) Personally, I've read about 38 of the scripts. I've probably reviewed about 30 of them. There are one or two that I just didn't want to review - if only because I found nothing positive to say about them. Hey, that's just me, but I'm not comfortable completely slamming a script...even if it deserves it. (I leave that to Phil.) ))
And I *hate* when people add the line "congratulations on completing the OWC." That's akin to patting the writer on the head and handing them a fully patronizing cookie....
Me, I rather say nothing...in a few cases.
Well, there are two ways to look at congratulations. Although I don't always say it, I really do feel that participants deserve to be congratulated. They've accomplished a lot by participating in the challenge and they need to know that. They are flexing their muscles, strengthening their abilities by the actions they perform.
Also, to paint an example:
People falsely have this idea that they need to be superstars to sing a song. When I was on the cruise ship, doing the Mediterranean thing, I heard a lot of the workers singing. From the kitchen workers, to the room attendants... and it lifted my spirits.
When a person recognizes an attempt to do something-- anything, by anyone... man, woman or child... I think it's a positive thing to acknowledge it. It's a positive thing to question it. But to say nothing at all, well, maybe if we can't think of anything at all to say, then we need to ask ourselves why.
This hearkens back to what Jeff has said and I do believe that some of what he's said is perfectly legitimate in that we should bring something to the table as far as comments go. At least we should try.
There was one script that I needed to look at again the next day and I felt that I had learned something by doing that kind of scrutiny. In that respect, it's the author that's doing me, the reader the favor; not the other way around.
...when people add the line "congratulations on completing the OWC"...That's akin to...handing them a fully patronizing cookie....
Yep.
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I rather say nothing...in a few cases.
That's a personal opinion, but for what it's worth, I have also done this a few times.
I give a lot of thought to feedback -- it takes time -- and there are sometimes scripts that reflect so poorly on the author that they seem undeserving of that time.
All in all, attempting to direct others how to act on these boards is energy largely wasted.
Well, there are two ways to look at congratulations. Although I don't always say it, I really do feel that participants deserve to be congratulated. They've accomplished a lot by participating in the challenge and they need to know that. They are flexing their muscles, strengthening their abilities by the actions they perform.
Also, to paint an example:
People falsely have this idea that they need to be superstars to sing a song. When I was on the cruise ship, doing the Mediterranean thing, I heard a lot of the workers singing. From the kitchen workers, to the room attendants... and it lifted my spirits.
When a person recognizes an attempt to do something-- anything, by anyone... man, woman or child... I think it's a positive thing to acknowledge it. It's a positive thing to question it. But to say nothing at all, well, maybe if we can't think of anything at all to say, then we need to ask ourselves why.
This hearkens back to what Jeff has said and I do believe that some of what he's said is perfectly legitimate in that we should bring something to the table as far as comments go. At least we should try.
There was one script that I needed to look at again the next day and I felt that I had learned something by doing that kind of scrutiny. In that respect, it's the author that's doing me, the reader the favor; not the other way around.
I give a lot of thought to feedback -- it takes time -- and there are sometimes scripts that reflect so poorly on the author that they seem undeserving of that time.
Sob, sob, so that's why you haven't commented on my script, say it isn't so Bert, please! LOL
Darren, I'm still very confused by your comments, as well as the lack of commentary at other times.
Not sure how this has somehow turned personal with my script. I don't appreciate that someone let you know which was mine, either...not cool. But, if you do want this to be personal, so be it.
As we'ce conversed numerous times before, I've read and provided commentary on lots of yuor scripts since you started posting last October. In that time frame, yuo've commented on ZERO of mine...whether you read any or not, remains to be seen.
You posted 2 OWC scripts this time around, even though a number of people made it clear only 1 should be entered. So once again, you get 2 reads and reviews from me, and I get ZEDRO from you.
Actually, I've got to chime in on this part of the conversation (out of no-where, I know.) Personally, I've read about 38 of the scripts. I've probably reviewed about 30 of them. There are one or two that I just didn't want to review - if only because I found nothing positive to say about them. Hey, that's just me, but I'm not comfortable completely slamming a script...even if it deserves it. (I leave that to Phil.) ))
As a newbie, i think negative comments can be far more helpful than positive ones (as long as there written in the right way).
Darren, I'm still very confused by your comments, as well as the lack of commentary at other times.
Not sure how this has somehow turned personal with my script. I don't appreciate that someone let you know which was mine, either...not cool. But, if you do want this to be personal, so be it.
As we'ce conversed numerous times before, I've read and provided commentary on lots of yuor scripts since you started posting last October. In that time frame, yuo've commented on ZERO of mine...whether you read any or not, remains to be seen.
You posted 2 OWC scripts this time around, even though a number of people made it clear only 1 should be entered. So once again, you get 2 reads and reviews from me, and I get ZEDRO from you.
That's not the way it's supposed to work.
I am not going to delete this, Jeff. At least I don't think so.
But I am going to point out you are starting to monopolize this thread with "personal" business that is better suited for Private Messages.
Please move it there.
And the way this is going, you might not want his feedback anyway.
Agreed. As long as their are specifics. Dream will shred your script, but give you well thought out reasons, things you can use. Screenrider didn't like my entry for this, which is fine, but he gave no further info, so not much help. Someone who takes the time to detail what you did wrong, no matter how brutally they do it, is extremely valuable. I will mention Bert and Phil for giving valuable constructive criticism as well, and obviously there are more.
I don't know any of the authors, so I'm clearing my name right now. I thought Them that's dead was phil or bert's work, but I could be wrong. If that script was written by blank i'm retiring from screenwritting, tho. Ha!
I should have noted that I ALSO have not had time to read all the scripts as of yet.
Most of you would be very surprised to learn how much time goes into keeping up with all the comments and other mod stuff during these "challenges".
It blows my mind the amount of time that goes into so many things and people who are kind of looking off from the parameters of a situation fail to understand until they are in that situation themselves. That goes with every job you can imagine.
Virtual space is like a kind of bizarre quantum thing that pops in and out of existence at random intervals. Yes, God does play dice with the universe, Einstein? But in a good way, eventually.
To manage virtual space is like trying to hold the wind in your fingers.
Those who read without leaving a comment should not admit that they did so because the script was too bad. Some that admittedly read all the scripts, commented on most of them and left mine without a comment because it's this bad make me feel very down.
To me it means that the script is so bad that you didn't find the strength to comment.
You posted 2 OWC scripts this time around, even though a number of people made it clear only 1 should be entered.
Multiple entries were allowed. Rick wanted as many as possible to chose from.
I have not read as many as I had hoped at all. Maybe 12 and most of those were read before the writers entered them so none of my comments are here on the boards.
I've also been busy with my daughter breaking her arm and having surgery I've been her private chauffeur and personal assistant. Also been working hard on pre-production of Finders Keepers and like bert said, it takes a long time looking through this threads too. You go to bed and wake up and there's a 100 new posts that has to be looked at and sometimes (quite often) things are getting out of control and things have to get cleaned up.
I was going to read one now, but I'm sitting here typing this instead...
I don't appreciate that someone let you know which was mine, either...not cool.
It was me Jeff, sue me. He'd find out in a day or two anyways. I just sent him a PM of what you wrote and that he didn't read it, nor anything you've written. That maybe it would smooth things over if he chimed in on it. My bad.
Fuck it, need a long break from these boards myself after this OWC is over.
Those who read without leaving a comment should not admit that they did so because the script was too bad. Some that admittedly read all the scripts, commented on most of them and left mine without a comment because it's this bad make me feel very down.
To me it means that the script is so bad that you didn't find the strength to comment.
Khamanna, one guy hated my script so bad he left the site... Don't let that bother you. If everyone liked what I wrote I would be scared. I would feel like I had become very bland.
I've read scripts and not commented, but I agree with you that if someone decides not to comment, don't tell the writer you read it.
Those who read without leaving a comment should not admit that they did so because the script was too bad. Some that admittedly read all the scripts, commented on most of them and left mine without a comment because it's this bad make me feel very down.
To me it means that the script is so bad that you didn't find the strength to comment.
I often feel if a script sucks monkey fuck that much it's not worth any more of my time. Granted I still like to let them know they wasted my time and that there is a strong possibility it could happen again.
I'm almost done with a rewrite of this mess..I mean script. When I finish (I'll say when) if someones up for looking it over I'll do the same for them. Just keep in mind I dont pretend to know everything about this subject, or anything for that matter. lol
I often feel if a script sucks monkey fuck that much it's not worth any more of my time. Granted I still like to let them know they wasted my time and that there is a strong possibility it could happen again.
This sounds very harsh, especially the "strong possibility" part (with which I don't agree) but I would take that instead of zero response.
Actually, I don't know. If you include "the strong possibility" part - I don't know. But if you say the script is very bad and give an explanation to this (even if scarce) it's still something.
Khamanna, one guy hated my script so bad he left the site... Don't let that bother you. If everyone liked what I wrote I would be scared. I would feel like I had become very bland.
I've read scripts and not commented, but I agree with you that if someone decides not to comment, don't tell the writer you read it.
I'm leaning towards "he missed my script" ) --I'm an optimist. Left the site? --I don't even know what to say to that. "This is crazy" perhaps.
No big deal, James. That's fine with me. I have no problem with you...you write, you read, you review...and yuo drink, so I consider you a kindred brother in arms. Oh yeah, and you live in Cleveland...
The last few OWC's I have always planned to read every script. No different for this one - I start reading, write down the title and a quick word if I liked it or not.
I give a short review and move on. I do read comments before posting(come on, admit it...we all do that, don't we?) Any that seemeed to be poorly written - i use buddy Jeff as a graph here - I still look at but don't usually review.
After wading through 20 scripts in a hour, this can become a little mind numbing. some I will read half then re-read a few days later.
I guess everyone has their own little 'system'.
My faves:
The God Stick - no doubt written by a UK dude who knows the legends An Bean Sidhe - ditto for this one The Lamb - has some probs but it read pretty good to me The Flesh Not Be Missed - some creepy shit but could be developed
A few others have their standout moments. It'll all be how Rick sees them.
My own? I firmly believe in it and it got some nice comments. It ticks all the boxes for requirements in my book. But, like everything, that's just MHO.
Well done to all who partcipated. I rated this one tougher than the October Halloween challenge - sure, the criteria was looser but it was hard when dealing with these mythical beings.
Cheers stevie
PS - Jeff, my hairstyle is perfect, baby - smooth and shiny...
The God Stick - no doubt written by a UK dude who knows the legends - I disagree that The God Stick was written by someone from the UK, some great research Id say. The clue for me is in the writing style. I like this short alot though.
I do read comments before posting(come on, admit it...we all do that, don't we?)
No, I usually don't read comments first. The reason being, I like to have my opinion come from my current knowledge, feelings and intuition, and then from potential knowledge, where I study the script in question and try and glean a sense of possible problems that exist within its framework.
If I were to read comments first, then that takes some of the work out of it for me and ruins some of the ability I would otherwise have from by approaching it as a clean slate.
Sometimes, I have in the past read other comments first when I feel confused about a script and feel I need some insight from some of the more experienced people on the site, but this is the exception.
I usually read and study it, make notes. Go back and check things. Comment and then, I post. And check comments later.
The Godstick was another short that though very well written, presented some problems for me. They could be fixed probably. But I can't buy into the overall concept that grandfather just throws him in with the witch without any preparing. First, because who the hell would do that to their kin? Second, I think the stakes were enormous, like this witch was gonna bring havoc on the world if I remember right.
I want to be able to buy into the story at some level, no matter how visual a story might be, or how crafty the dialogue.
Now, if he makes this a comedy, that's very different. I could see an action comedy working very well, and his characters are lively enough for the task too.
But if this is going to be a serious horror or even action story, something has to be changed at the ground level. You can't just throw a kid in one day with an all powerful witch and say, "save the world".
The Godstick was another short that though very well written, presented some problems for me. They could be fixed probably. But I can't buy into the overall concept that grandfather just throws him in with the witch without any preparing. First, because who the hell would do that to their kin? Second, I think the stakes were enormous, like this witch was gonna bring havoc on the world if I remember right.
I want to be able to buy into the story at some level, no matter how visual a story might be, or how crafty the dialogue.
Now, if he makes this a comedy, that's very different. I could see an action comedy working very well, and his characters are lively enough for the task too.
But if this is going to be a serious horror or even action story, something has to be changed at the ground level. You can't just throw a kid in one day with an all powerful witch and say, "save the world".
Submitted respectfully, your humble bar tender.
The boy, who was 21, was carrying on in his father's footsteps. He had his father's blood, I think, and his father's abilities. This could be shown with some tweaking.
This is real dialogue:
ADAM Halloween’s really catchin’ on, huh? Not in my day, boyo. Sean, lost in thought, keeps his eyes on the wet road.
ADAM To me, October thirty-first will always be Samhain.
In North America, a lot of people tend to think Halloween is celebrated all over, but it's not.
Also, when Sean says,
ADAM Family tradition. (beat) No. Family obligation.
This is a solid cue for an actor. Their eyes might pierce through the boy like dark candles in a Genesis void.
You posted 2 OWC scripts this time around, even though a number of people made it clear only 1 should be entered. So once again, you get 2 reads and reviews from me, and I get ZEDRO from you.
That's not the way it's supposed to work.
I'll remember that, kind sir. You are wrong on that part, and I will respond to that in the right time.
Wrong on what part? That you didn't get 2 reads and feedback from me? If that's the case, you can rest assured that I am trying to get through the remaining entries and unless 1 of yours was so piss poor that I couldn't get through it, you will see my feedback ASAP.
- Producible low budget horrors (fits the criteria) ? - Coolest horror shows! Budgets be d@mned!? - Personal favorites for whatever reasons? - Potential or prime after re-write? - As is?
Which? Yeah, I understand that we get three votes so we could do one of each, but I can always bias my votes one way or the other. What's the "spirit" of the vote rather than the letter?
* * *
And as a related item... How many of you guys will be submitting re-write? And will we be voting on those, too? Or moving on to the next project?
Khamanna, one guy hated my script so bad he left the site... Don't let that bother you. If everyone liked what I wrote I would be scared. I would feel like I had become very bland.
Well it was bad,
I would say that Rick wouldn't pick any of these scripts in their current form and I haven't even read them all. But that's a suckers bet, rarely does a script survive intact to the end.
Wrong on what part? That you didn't get 2 reads and feedback from me? If that's the case, you can rest assured that I am trying to get through the remaining entries and unless 1 of yours was so piss poor that I couldn't get through it, you will see my feedback ASAP.
That's the way I roll...
Look---and this is the *last* time I am saying this.
(note: I edited most of my response out, not the Mod, as I saw his response under me. You all seen my rant for a minute or two, I'm sure. My apologies to anyone who was put out by the dirty laundry)
- Producible low budget horrors (fits the criteria) ? - Coolest horror shows! Budgets be d@mned!? - Personal favorites for whatever reasons? - Potential or prime after re-write? - As is?
Which? Yeah, I understand that we get three votes so we could do one of each, but I can always bias my votes one way or the other. What's the "spirit" of the vote rather than the letter?
* * *
And as a related item... How many of you guys will be submitting re-write? And will we be voting on those, too? Or moving on to the next project?
Ray, I'm voting based upon my feelings derived from the script, not only surface polish.
Will I be submitting a rewrite? There is one particular scene, that when I had written it, I felt that it was important to elaborate a little more, but I left it because I wanted it to be subtle. I still want it to be subtle, but there needs to be more of an image drawn.
Also, there was one part that I was called for that I could have used some kind of shmancy film direction that I didn't know of, but I didn't know what it was and didn't have enough time to research, but that-- that I thought was easy enough for the director to work with in his own way.
And also again, I wanted and was searching for a way to depict something to the audience, but I just couldn't figure it out except to show it in a very simplified kindergarten fashion and hoped that anyone who knew would know.
Overall, I'd like to do a rewrite, but I feel happy about the effort I exerted into this OWC and it was a positive experience.
I would say that Rick wouldn't pick any of these scripts in their current form and I haven't even read them all. But that's a suckers bet, rarely doesn't a script survive intact to the end.
I'm not sure about that. I think a director has a keen eye for what he wants and would be happy to tell the writer, I want you to do this with it and any good and flexible writer would be happy to work in the creative development of the project.
Ok, I'm coming over the bar and tossing you guys if you don't stop the argument! Now let's do some shots and forget about it. Sandra's buying!
Okey dokey, sounds like me. Especially if I ever make the moolah doing my crazy stuff. I'd personally invite you all to a party that I would personally plan. I love parties. I love planning them. So yes...
Eat, drink and be merry. And then go and have some real good sex...
I'm not sure about that. I think a director has a keen eye for what he wants and would be happy to tell the writer, I want you to do this with it and any good and flexible writer would be happy to work in the creative development of the project.
I don't intend to vote until after the writers are revealed, if that's possible. I just want to see the questions people posed to the writers answered before selecting my picks. Why did the father turn on his family in White Women? What is the deal with the creature Lark in Captive? Who is Tophet and what is his story? Why was the young man not prepared to fight the witch in Godstick? These were all stories with a lot of strength. I just can't vote until these questions are answered.
Ray, I'm voting based upon my feelings derived from the script, not only surface polish.
Will I be submitting a rewrite? There is one particular scene, that when I had written it, I felt that it was important to elaborate a little more, but I left it because I wanted it to be subtle. I still want it to be subtle, but there needs to be more of an image drawn.
Thank you, Sandra. Not to put words in your mouth or to catalog your reply into a box, is your answer kinda sorta voting for "personal favorite for whatever reason"?
If so, cool. If not, cool. Ha!
Understood about the rewrite. For me, it's amazing what another two pages of blabbing can do to elucidate both the story and character motivations.
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I think the point letiskev is that you vote while things are still anonymous.
Which is why I'm kinda being a wiener about voting criteria. I'm all for anarchy and chaos as a political model as the next miscreant, but a little precedent is greatly appreciated.
I am confident enough to openly admit to my own sense of vanity.
In that case...
Bert, you are the most beautiful row of five stars I've seen in this entire thread. I mean that. Really. They're all so... what's the word? Pointy? Do you use starch? Are they real or did you get an augmentation done?
- Producible low budget horrors (fits the criteria) ? - Coolest horror shows! Budgets be d@mned!? - Personal favorites for whatever reasons? - Potential or prime after re-write? - As is?
Which?
Ray, quite simply, vote for the scripts you liked the best.
SimplyScripts (admin) has added you to the 'TEMP' member group.
Anyone else receive a message like this?
I created a subgroup that only the participants in the Feb OWC were members. I forgot that it sent out an email. This group is temporary to facilitate the "Writer's Choice" selection.
Our votes don't matter do they? So who cares when you vote?
Chris, in the giant scheme of things, you are correct. The votes don't mean anything. The voting has no impact on what Rick decides to do, if anything. Rick can't see the poll. Rick doesn't even know who wrote what at this point.
The Feb OWC is a challenge, not a contest. There are no prizes. There is no guarantee that Rick will select any of the scripts to film.
This just allows a writer to put on his/her resume or script, "Writer's Choice selectee SimplyScripts February, 2011 One Week Challenge.
Thank you, Sandra. Not to put words in your mouth or to catalog your reply into a box, is your answer kinda sorta voting for "personal favorite for whatever reason"?
If so, cool. If not, cool. Ha!
Yes, I will always vote according to my feeling and personal favorite. If that happens to be in line with 80% or 10% it doesn't matter to me. It has to hold water with me. I believe in myself and my feelings. I believe in writers who believe in themselves and their feelings. If they pull on my heart strings in some way, then I know they've succeeded and I'm interested in their work and in seeing them succeed.
I'm going to put SPOILERS here even though I normally haven't and maybe I should have.
Ok, I want to write about my favorite and a little bit why:
BEAN SIDHE
This has some fine actor bait:
NADINE, late 40s, thin, vacant eyes, sets the table.
Right from the get-go we meet Nadine going about her routine, a day in the life, but we know something is wrong.
Cue off-beat music as a mood invoker.
And when she drops that casserole…
It’s rough going for her, but…
CHRIS Just browsing. Want to see what’s on. I’ll stop - the football is about to start.
CHRIS Awfully hot today, isn’t it?
His dialogue rings with the strange indifference of a man who doesn’t want to get in the path of an upset woman. We don’t know who to feel more sympathetic towards. Chris? Or Nadine?
But then:
CHRIS Guess it’s bread and butter day again, huh?
CHRIS A couple of eggs with a toast maybe? Come on Nadine, how long do I have, huh? Couple months?
And we’re thinking he sounds just a tad insensitive. But what? How long do I have? He says.
*Intrigue.
The tone of the piece becomes creepily insane with Nadine’s giggling. We don’t really know if she’s possessed by this wailing Sidhe. Perhaps.
As the story progresses, I think Nadine is possessed by the wailing Bean. Chris is painted as some kind of evil person locking up his daughter for a kidney, but I think he was possessed, too.
In the end, Christina is taken away by Bean. But let's reverse:
Pay attention, people: as Nadine grabs the rifle: (The bolds are mine).
CHRIS What are you talking about... What are you doing?
NADINE You want her kidney, don’t you?
Christina scrambles up. There’s nothing wrong with her. She stands behind Nadine Nothing wrong with her? Ka-nicked by a tractor was she?
CHRISTINA He almost ran me over with his tractor. Then decided to save me. ...for the kidney.
***Did he now? Are you lying Christina?
CHRIS Christina was my daughter, too
Nadine. I loved her as much as you did.
Nadine emits an evil laugh. Her eyes glow crazed.
NADINE (artistically) Perhaps you loved her a bit more. Bit more than daddy can love?
CHRIS Put the rifle down, Nadine. What are you talking about?
She turns to Christina. Christina averts her eyes. Nods.
**And why does Christina avert her mother's eyes? Guilt?
CHRISTINA That’s why he had to get rid of me. It’s alright. I’m over it, Mommy.
***Why? Because Christina is the manifestation not only of his daughter, but of his guilty conscience for the "deeds they did together". And she’s over it. Why? Because she knows she’s guilty, too. Bebs maybe loved Daddy a bit more than she should’ve?
Nadine turns back toward Chris. Her chin hardens, lips tighten. The hand gripping the rifle doesn’t shake anymore.
***Excellent description. Tight. Not overwritten. Just enough for the actor to get it.
NADINE Well, I’m not over it. Not yet.
She shoots Chris in the heart. Chris falls down with a jolt. Blood trickles out of the fresh wound.
Nadine shoots again. And again, one futile shot after another. Until Bean and Christina crumble into nothingness.
Then, a clever flashback without FLASHBACK even written! Using an Over Credits as an indication of the switch:
SIRENS WAIL. Low drone HUM, someone talks into a mic:
MALE VOICE 1(V.O.) You asked around about her?
MALE VOICE 2 (V.O.) She flipped after what happened to her daughter. She didn’t think it was an accident. ...kept talking about some Bean Shmidt whatever, wailing for a soul...
Flickering of stilled cameras. White noise.
MALE VOICE 1 (V.O.) What do people say - was it an accident?
MALE VOICE 2 (V.O.) Oh yeah. He mourned her no less than Nadine. ...his cancer got worse. Poor lad.
***With this ending, we're left to think that perhaps Christina was killed by that tractor after all. That yes, Chris had to get rid of her because of their relationship that he couldn't reconcile in his own mind. And... that yes... Perhaps Bean Sidhe was behind it all... Possessing them...
I seriously am glad to be able to come and re-read this again. To study it. Discover the things that I felt in the beginning, but needed to go back and find the hard evidence for-- because after all, "I got this feeling about it", doesn't really cut it with a lot of people.
Anyways, I'm so glad I did feel it. My vote for your script has intensified and tomorrow, I'll write up some more on the other two scripts I thought were really well done.
While the story did not blow me away, though good, I would like to think that the person capable of that high a quality of writing will be finding regular work soon in this field. Truly talented writer, whoever it is. Could be writing novels or Screen, I think.
Captive
Same as above. Different style, a little more straightforward. In fact, these two writers working together might create something interesting, really come up with a variety of voices.
White Women
Writing style a little more edgy and daring, a risk taker. If the other two writers are smooth and efficient, craftsmen, this ones swings a blade instead of a pen, warrior.
Godstick
If the others were craftsmen and a warrior, this one is an artist painting with a vivid brush. Ireland was the perfect setting for his colorful strokes.
The Flesh Wont be Missed
Was born to write horror, bloody, gruesome horror, the kind that is not about a battle between good and evil, but just about evil. Like the dark horror from the 70s, when you just knew it was gonna end badly, and you wanted to look away but couldn't.
Reliquary
Probably a new up and comer. Someone grappling with deep concepts, murky depths.
Bean Sidhe
Lively characters and detailed scenes are this writer's talent, but above all inventive plot.
Devil's Erudition
A sick bastard! Should be plenty of good stuff to come.
Ok, thanks for letting me play. Gonna be more quiet til the next OWC, I promise! But PM if anyone needs anything.
While the story did not blow me away, though good, I would like to think that the person capable of that high a quality of writing will be finding regular work soon in this field. Truly talented writer, whoever it is. Could be writing novels or Screen, I think.
Captive
Same as above. Different style, a little more straightforward. In fact, these two writers working together might create something interesting, really come up with a variety of voices.
White Women
Writing style a little more edgy and daring, a risk taker. If the other two writers are smooth and efficient, craftsmen, this ones swings a blade instead of a pen, warrior.
Godstick
If the others were craftsmen and a warrior, this one is an artist painting with a vivid brush. Ireland was the perfect setting for his colorful strokes.
The Flesh Wont be Missed
Was born to write horror, bloody, gruesome horror, the kind that is not about a battle between good and evil, but just about evil. Like the dark horror from the 70s, when you just knew it was gonna end badly, and you wanted to look away but couldn't.
Reliquary
Probably a new up and comer. Someone grappling with deep concepts, murky depths.
Bean Sidhe
Lively characters and detailed scenes are this writer's talent, but above all inventive plot.
Devil's Erudition
A sick bastard! Should be plenty of good stuff to come.
Ok, thanks for letting me play. Gonna be more quiet til the next OWC, I promise! But PM if anyone needs anything.
You got that all wrong 'Be Jaysus is the answer' exasperated sigh, Ray, I'm like a mother and a father to you . . . LOL
Funny. We can confuse the others with both titles now!
I'm hoping for "Epic Short".
On a related note, I'd love to write a story about the people on the island after Jesus sends Legion into their pigs that run off and drown in the sea, then Jesus hops in the boat and leaves. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%205:1-17&version=NIV I imagine the economic impact afterwards was rather significant and there were some likely harsh words said.
Mechanics - I'm a cheap bastard and use Celtx. That isn't Celtx. Format - FADE IN: goes left justified. Style - I use commas to delineate ages rather than parenthesis which break up the flow for my reads. Story wise - I don't think a bean sidhe would converse quite so much. Although, Mickey's ravings do sound a bit much like what I'd write.
But I do love "Frame Of The Open Door". It's my favorite entry even if it's not much horror. I keep thinking it's like... Mary Poppins and Nanny McFee rolled together in a Mary Cassatt painting .
Actually that one is not ultra cheap - it starts with killing a child... There were some cheap ones (production wise cheap) but I don't want to guess anymore
Pia inspired my entry when she questioned my first's costume and SFX production expenses. Although I had plotted and planned all the "How to do it"s I knew she was right.
Being an @ss, I figured the cheapest thing would be people with sticks. Then I figured out how to do it without the people. Then without the sticks.
From there the story grew.
Cheap, cheap production costs. Not as cheap as "WATER", but close.
Working on my submitted story re-write as we speak. Will submit it after notes from open conversation with the writers.
Submitted my first SFX heavy short last night. You'll see it in a couple of weeks. As always, I look forward to your review.
I see you like to root for someone in your stories. Gonna be able to pull that off in a couple pages sometime soon?
I did not comment on mine, but I usually do. Someone found out which was mine, so at that opint, I wasn't giong to be able to throw anyone off and some people may have contsrued what I wuold have said in the wrong way.
I guess that some people voted for themsleves...otherwise i don't see how a number of these scripts received a vote, unless the voter voted for a "friend".
No. Which is why I haven't commented on about five of them, but will after about half the votes come in.
52 votes, divide by three, equals fourteen writers of about thirty-two counting double-dippers and subtracting "The unspoken one!" LOL!
I know some people like to leave a review their own script. I just... can't do that. Too elementary school. Or alimentary school, if you like.
FWIW, I felt real bad for you yesterday when you posted: Those who read without leaving a comment should not admit that they did so because the script was too bad. Some that admittedly read all the scripts, commented on most of them and left mine without a comment because it's this bad make me feel very down. I don't want to be responsible for generating that emotion in you or others. I'm a cynical @ss, but it doesn't mean I don't care. (That's actually WHY cynical @sses are cynical!)
I'll quit being a d!ck and knock out the last few reviews so that any Inspector Clouseaus out there can pin me. GL. Wieners.
No. Which is why I haven't commented on about five of them, but will after about half the votes come in.
52 votes, divide by three, equals fourteen writers of about thirty-two counting double-dippers and subtracting "The unspoken one!" LOL!
I know some people like to leave a review their own script. I just... can't do that. Too elementary school. Or alimentary school, if you like.
FWIW, I felt real bad for you yesterday when you posted: Those who read without leaving a comment should not admit that they did so because the script was too bad. Some that admittedly read all the scripts, commented on most of them and left mine without a comment because it's this bad make me feel very down. I don't want to be responsible for generating that emotion in you or others. I'm a cynical @ss, but it doesn't mean I don't care. (That's actually WHY cynical @sses are cynical!)
I'll quit being a d!ck and knock out the last few reviews so that any Inspector Clouseaus out there can pin me. GL. Wieners.
Just don't say "I left out a few because I couldn't bring myself to even commenting on those" and you're covered! You left a comment on mine by the way.
Riddle me this, Penguin...how can "Water's Edge", which was admittedly not written for this OWC, get a vote?
WT.....?????????????
C'mon now, peeps...let's be real...
You make me smile, Jeff. So funny. Well, we'll just be nice about it. You brainiac, you. The guy who skis those beloved mountain slopes-- should've been an actor, but he wound up here...
So, is the list of writers going to be revealed today or are we waiting for all the votes to be tallied?
Them that's Dead got one of my votes. Loved the dialogue and that spirit funneling scene. Also, at no point did any of the pirates say, "Arrgh." That was the clincher for me.
I will wait for the name reveal to do anymore reads. I know I've read better then half. Anyone who read mine and I didn't already return the favor, I shall remedy that when the opportunity presents itself.
Finished all of them. Good job everyone. I have to go back and look to see which ones I thought were top notch and then I'll submit a vote. If I happened to miss yours for whatever reason, then send me a message and I'll check it out.
I think I have read and commented on all of them at this stage.
If I've missed one, please let me know.
Outstanding effort all round...lots of interesting stories. As one would expect in such a ridiculously short time most aren't perfect, but I honestly think all of them have the potential to be developed into something superior.
The general level of story-telling was very high. Much more original and interesting than the vast majority of horror films that I see and I love horror.
I am simply A M A Z E D at how fast these have received as many reviews as they have.
It took three weeks to burn through just as many OCT OWC screenplays.
Maybe it was the criteria pool variety for this OWC that abated burn-out?
I'm game for both rewrites and round two utilizing Rick's perspectives from his level headed comments and passionate peer comments. Those can nudge product into a more well-defined "interest field".
I think rewrites were essential for any of these to really work. I'm not talking about fixing fade in's and slug lines, or poorly worded action. I'm talking about story flaws. All of them. No exception. My extremely amateur opinion.
That said, a lot of great writing, also evidence of real creative thinking and unique concepts. I will absolutely read the rewrites, and am really eagerly looking forward to how some of the "just misses" come up with solutions.
Award winning screenwriter Available screenplays TINA DARLING - 114 page Comedy ONLY OSCAR KNOWS - 99 page Horror A SONG IN MY HEART - 94 page Drama HALLOWEEN GAMES - 105 page Drama
Do you think I should make my selection whilst it's still anonymous...thus preventing any arguments about favouritism?
It's your time and nickel, er... shilling. Select what you want to watch your audience go "Ooo-ah! AGHH!!" then titter and giggle over at the horror film fest.
Pretty sure "reading favorite" and "friend favorite" will have little bearing on "production favorite".
This decision is very difficult, all of the scripts have something to offer. Ultimately I'm going to have to whittle it down using reasoning that is subjective and it may well even be spurious to a degree...that's just the name of the game...so no complaining!
I ruled out an official second round so that everyone got a fair chance. That being the case, I will select a script to film based on the way they stand at the moment.
However, I am generally interested in the topics these scripts are based on and am very interested in seeing the scripts develop in an unofficial second round. It may well be that long term, more than one of these stories can be produced.
The challenge opened with 40 entries.
5 of these have been pulled and so are out:
Crimson Swirl Fear Liath Business before Pleasure Water's Edge The Gwragedd Annen.
Crimson Swirl Fear Liath Business before Pleasure Water's Edge The Gwragedd Annen.
Being lazy this morning, I first jumped to the middle of your post, and I thought that you were selecting from amongst these five!
I thought you had lost your mind haha.
As for an anonymous selection, bear in mind that you are going to need an author you can work with -- some of these scripts belong to people who are not even around, and who knows how responsive they will be?
Just saying there may be at least a little value in familiarity, and you may want to check with Don about the author before you "announce" a final decision.
Rick - I agree with the others - probably best to at least narrow down the candidates while it's still anonymous. First of all, makes for better theater and drama .
That aside, it probably also makes it a *little* easier to choose strictly on merit, vs. the personalities of the writers behind the script (even if any existing bias is on a sub-conscious level.)
FWIW: I'm already raring to go with the second draft of mine. Thanks to various reviews and commentary.... (And I'm sure that a lot of the other writers have done rewrites, too.)
Just saying there may be at least a little value in familiarity, and you may want to check with Don about the author before you "announce" a final decision.
You're not getting picked, Bert. Of course I don't know which one is yours, but that comment made me say that.
You're not getting picked, Bert. Of course I don't know which one is yours, but that comment made me say that.
I don't think he is looking at mine, anyway. If you read his comments on these, you can tell which way the wind blows.
I just kind of tossed that out there for Rick to think about, because every time we have a challenge this large, there are 3~4 scripts from people who nobody has ever heard of and who have not even commented on any scripts.
(I would like to acknowledge that for an MP'er, you have acquitted yourself pretty well, Keaton.)
Anyways, if Rick is on the fence about two scripts, he might give the nod to someone he recognizes as opposed to a total stranger.
Well even if not picked I'm still going to do a rewrite on mine. Just want to make it as good as possible. Then move on to my next one. This has indeed been a lot of fun and a great learning experience for sure. :]
I'm not an MP'er. I just happen to submit scripts there. Probably more of a Zoetrope person. I've developed my style before I could be influenced to pick MP or SS bad habits. Unfortunately only one of my submitted scripts shows this style. The other hints at it.
I would say it's easier to spot someone with SS bad habits, than a person with MP bad habits though. 'The End' really?
Again...I'm sure you appreciate how difficult it is to make a selection. I can tell a lot of work and research has gone into these stories and I repeat how impressed I've been with the standard of story-telling.
The order that they go in are not necessarily a reflection of their quality...I merely have to make a decision.
The authors of the next scripts to face the drop should not be disheartened in any way. The OWC is a challenge above all else, not a competition and everyone has succeeded who entered. I genuinely mean that.
All of the below have the potential to be developed and disappointment now should not stop you developing the stories to realise that potential.
Will you make yourself available through PMs for some non-abusive "sensible" Q&A?
"Your premise has potential. Can you cut this, pare that, augment this and add some more the other? Yes?! Great. Can you do that by... next Monday or so? Great. Read you then."
Something along those lines?
Or just... free for all. Give us enough rope and... ACKK! "Dude, I like those tennis shoes".
Will you make yourself available through PMs for some non-abusive "sensible" Q&A?
"Your premise has potential. Can you cut this, pare that, augment this and add some more the other? Yes?! Great. Can you do that by... next Monday or so? Great. Read you then."
Something along those lines?
Or just... free for all. Give us enough rope and... ACKK! "Dude, I like those tennis shoes".
Better to just do it in the thread I think, then other people can chime in and offer an opinion. But yes, I'll be around for advice/soundboarding or whatever you want to call it....and if you're more comfortable asking something specific through PM...gopherit, as you like to say.
And on a side note folks that are not moving on. Remember that this is a producer not screenplay contest judge.
Do you ever wonder why a script can win a lot of screenplay contests, but never get produced? Because it was picked for it's story and not it's production value. A heart warming tale of a boy and his dog shouldn't need a 100 million dollar budget. Also you have to keep in mind every director has a team. If the team doesn't feel your story it doesn't matter how good it is, they shouldn't and couldn't do it justice.
So ultimately it is a convergence of a liked story, production value, timing, budget, and magic that gets a script produced. Just keep putting your best foot forward and you'll get there.
I used to go there all the time. Still pop in there now and then. I should check in soon .
MoviePoet is chugging along with about 30 unique entries every month. Zoetrope is all but dead. It's hard, but not impossible to get shorts produced and produced well. A lot of folks are realizing that other than the joy of watching your script filmed, there is no paycheck. I say a good short can only help showcase your talent.
I would say it's easier to spot someone with SS bad habits, than a person with MP bad habits though. 'The End' really?
I look forward to the reveal. You've been quite the pompous ass this OWC. So I'm looking forward to reading yours, if I haven't already, to learn the new age way of screenwriting.
MoviePoet is chugging along with about 30 unique entries every month. Zoetrope is all but dead. It's hard, but not impossible to get shorts produced and produced well. A lot of folks are realizing that other than the joy of watching your script filmed, there is no paycheck. I say a good short can only help showcase your talent.
I'm more active at Ben Cahan's Talentville as far as other peer sites go. Zoe's screenplay wing isn't dead but it is nowhere near its peak eight to ten years ago.
The decisions are getting harder and harder. We've already lost lots of stories that I believe could make for fine films and this next lot is no exception.
All of these could be developed into great films in my honest opinion, but there has to be a "winner".
The next batch to go:
And I Take You.
Bloodstorm
Foreshadow
Imposter
Monsters
Selvage
Taibhse
The God Stick
The White Women
Wisp
Which means that the 5 left standing are:
Bean Sidhe Captive Scottish Lullaby Territory Them That's Dead
Two out of remaining three I voted on in the recent poll. (The third being Water) I'm sure the last two standing are Captive and Them That's Dead....but I'm siding with Captive.
This is the only site I am active on, but I had posted my rookie script on Screenplaygold. Someone saw it there and emailed me. Turns out it was a rookie like me. I told him what was going on here, and he came over.
One thing I told him I had discovered, and this contest was the main reason, but I think it's true even without it, shorts are a good way to go for new writers for several reasons. Primary reason is you are much, much more likely to get reads and feedback, which is critical.
If I could do it over, I would not have posted my feature yet. It needs format fixing, and I learned how to do that through this contest.
The other sites you guys mentioned I've never heard of.
But I learned more in a week with this. Appreciate it, thanks.
I look forward to the reveal. You've been quite the pompous ass this OWC. So I'm looking forward to reading yours, if I haven't already, to learn the new age way of screenwriting.
James
THE END.
James, here's a hint. They were two of the first 5 screenplays to be ruled out.
The other sites you guys mentioned I've never heard of.
There are even more than that. Check them all out. Each has there positives and negatives. You'll usually get different feedback from each.
If you are looking for feedback on a feature I'd recommend Zoetrope and Triggerstreet. I'm weening myself off a few. I totally erased myself from Triggerstreet. I doubt I'll post a feature up on Zoetrope anymore. I find private review groups can yield the best feedback at half the price of time and effort.
I look forward to the reveal. You've been quite the pompous ass this OWC. So I'm looking forward to reading yours, if I haven't already, to learn the new age way of screenwriting.
James
THE END.
A pompous ass? I don't think I've risen to your standards yet. It's attitude like yours and Dreamscale that gives SS a bad name. Yes, I asked to pull mine once I realized my scripts were in violation of the rules. Can you say that about everyone else?
If you guys want OWC to be a private circle jerk between yourselves you are quickly on your way to making that a reality.
Settle down folks. It takes all kinds of personalities to make a forum. Some hot bloodedness is part of it.
Keaton, thanks for the info. I will stick to this one for now. The problem with getting reads on my feature was due to my own formatting mistakes, writing errors. They are being fixed, lesson learned.
Two people I have the most to thank for that. Bert, who graciously took the time to read it. And believe it or not, Dream, who has not read it...thank God!
But I've read Dream's savaging criticisms around here on other scripts, and though they are harsh, I have learned a lot from them. The process works.
So I'll stick around here, keep directing others here. Hope you do to Keaton.
Writers tend to be insufferably arrogant -- given their belief that whatever they have to say is worthy and deserving of being read by others.
That is why disagreements arise so often, as strong personalities are bound to clash.
Perhaps we do not not delete as much as we should -- and these sorts of disagreements could be quickly squelched were we a bit more Draconian in our methods.
But we try not to do that, and again, we ask that members please do their best in refraining from personal attacks on the public boards.
That is why we've got PMs.
This thread is about the contest, not who rubs you the wrong way. Stick to the topic at hand.
We will come in and start cleaning house if we must, but frankly, it is kind of a pain in the ass.
Settle down folks. It takes all kinds of personalities to make a forum. Some hot bloodedness is part of it.
Keaton, thanks for the info. I will stick to this one for now. The problem with getting reads on my feature was due to my own formatting mistakes, writing errors. They are being fixed, lesson learned.
Two people I have the most to thank for that. Bert, who graciously took the time to read it. And believe it or not, Dream, who has not read it...thank God!
But I've read Dream's savaging criticisms around here on other scripts, and though they are harsh, I have learned a lot from them. The process works.
So I'll stick around here, keep directing others here. Hope you do to Keaton.
I'm glad it's working for you, but I suggest spreading your wings. Or you'll end up writing to please SS and not a wider audience. I find this from time to time. We work so hard to play in one place we realize that it won't play any where else. My strategies for features was to work one until it did well on Zoetrope and then put it on Triggerstreet. If it got a screenplay of the month nod there it just needed a polish. Some scripts required a few rewrites to succeed on both sites.
Keaton, I am pretty early in the process, light years behind you and others. Once my scripts are polished, maybe I can post them other places as well. I am a loyal kind of guy, so I expect to stick around here regardless.
Writers tend to be insufferably arrogant -- given their belief that whatever they have to say is worthy and deserving of being read by others.
That is why disagreements arise so often, as strong personalities are bound to clash.
Perhaps we do not not delete as much as we should -- and these sorts of disagreements could be quickly squelched were we a bit more Draconian in our methods.
But we try not to do that, and again, we ask that members please do their best in refraining from personal attacks on the public boards.
That is why we've got PMs.
This thread is about the contest, not who rubs you the wrong way. Stick to the topic at hand.
We will come in and start cleaning house if we must, but frankly, it is kind of a pain in the ass.
I have a feeling Screenwriter's Showdown is really gonna pick up once the dust settles from this OWC. Seems there's a few grudges to be settled around here. Yippie-yiyo-kiyay.
So the absolute final is between Scottish Lullaby and Captive.
Both very different approaches:
Scottish Lullaby a classic, poetic tale mixing Industrial and Traditional landscapes and science with myth, Captive a more modern take on horror with a powerful ending.
One has perhaps a wider appeal, in that it could play in festivals other than just horror ones, whilst the other is more confined to its genre.
Both are superb scripts:
But my choice is....
Captive.
Congrats to everyone who entered and commiserations to those that didn't make it this time. Honestly the standard was incredibly high and I can't wait to see the scripts develop.
Been a brilliant experience for me and I hope everyone has taken something from it.
So the absolute final is between Scottish Lullaby and Captive.
Both very different approaches:
Scottish Lullaby a classic, poetic tale mixing Industrial and Traditional landscapes and science with myth, Captive a more modern take on horror with a powerful ending.
One has perhaps a wider appeal, in that it could play in festivals other than just horror ones, whilst the other is more confined to its genre.
Both are superb scripts:
But my choice is....
Captive.
Congrats to everyone who entered and commiserations to those that didn't make it this time. Honestly the standard was incredibly high and I can't wait to see the scripts develop.
Been a brilliant experience for me and I hope everyone has taken something from it.
All the best,
Rick.
Congratulations to both these finalist authors!!!
Very interesting to see how these two scripts were so very different.
Well I really appreciate all the reads I got. I'm really new at this. And it is my first completed script. I plan on learning a lot more here as time goes by. I'll attempt to respond to everyone that read it. And hopfully give a clue where I was coming from.
Ok, who wrote Captive? Someone spill it. We have ways of making you talk! I have a guess, but gonna refrain from that.
I'm guessing Michael Cornetto.
Much thanks, Rick. Gotta give you credit. You displayed nothing but patience and professionalism throughout this whole ordeal. Two qualities that are without parallel for an up-and-coming Director.
Captive and Them were so well written, looking forward to reading some of their work. Godstick and White Women were also the work of talented veterans.
Captive and Them were so well written, looking forward to reading some of their work. Godstick and White Women were also the work of talented veterans.
It's gotta be Pia's script. Albert Gustaf Dahlman was the "Swedish" executioner.
I having a feeling playing with you would be very difficult. I can't say I'm at all shocked by the outcome, either. Very close nit group. Friends of a circle make a square feel out of shape...
Congrats to all those who competed/completed the OWC. There weren't many good scripts to pick from this time out, but I can name 4 that really shined. Very good, these challenges, to get your mind stimulated and motivated.
P.S. Forgive my Ray moment above -- And even if the guess isn't write, the script is no doubt someone from S.S. Which is a good thing.
Congrats to the writer of Captive, whoever he or she might be. Based on Rick's review, I had already assumed this was the one he was going to pick. Not my fave, but well done.
I know a few of the authors, the others not a clue.
But for Captive, I'll guess Phil Whitcroft. I seem to remember his Dumb Animals script from last May's OWC, so I know that guy can write an interesting script.
This was my third OWC and my last. I love the challenge but there is a vibe here on SS that makes it very difficult for people to break into your "click". And if you aren't a member of the "click", you're considered an outsider. It's a no win situation for some. Just thought I'd throw that out there. In the 3 challenges I've participated in, I've tried to chime in a couple times on these forums but any attempts at communication were squashed by the constant bickering between members.
Anyway, congrats to the writer of Captive. Captive, Them That's Dead and The God Stick were in my top 3.
Congrats to the Captive writer. Hopefully he/she's and SS regular. Not an implant from other sites just because of this challenge.
Can't wait for the reveal.
James
THE END.
What's with the attitude? If you won would you be satisfied knowing you won because you've hung around the longest or whether you actually deserved it or not. MP has that going for it at least, everyone new or old wishes each other luck.
This was my third OWC and my last. I love the challenge but there is a vibe here on SS that makes it very difficult for people to break into your "click". And if you aren't a member of the "click", you're considered an outsider. It's a no win situation for some. Just thought I'd throw that out there. In the 3 challenges I've participated in, I've tried to chime in a couple times on these forums but any attempts at communication were squashed by the constant bickering between members.
Anyway, congrats to the writer of Captive. Captive, Them That's Dead and The God Stick were in my top 3.
Exactly, it'll get lonely here when it's just the few of you battling it out.
This was my third OWC and my last. I love the challenge but there is a vibe here on SS that makes it very difficult for people to break into your "click". And if you aren't a member of the "click", you're considered an outsider.
There is no "click". Outside of the OWC there's just people reading each other's scripts. People know those who read their scripts. And people know when those people don't return reads. It's that simple. When you hang out here just during the OWC you might perceive a "click", but it's only the people who are regularly here. That group changes with time as well. The acceptance into this group is that you participate regularly. You can ask K(hamanananana) about this. She gets it.
Hello Wannabe. Let me carefully venture a reply. I am new here, only a couple months. Is it a little clicky? Yes, it is. But I would imagine that is the case in any active forum. People get to know each other, human nature takes its course.
The nice thing about this challenge was that someone independent picked the winner. I got the sense he was going to go with the script he thought had the best chance to be successful. He picked the one he wanted to film. As it should be.
There was a request by a moderator in the middle of his announcement process that was a little unsettling. It kind of had the tone of a suggestion to pick one of the regulars. But I seriously doubt that influenced the process.
Hopefully they can continue to find people like Rick who will judge based on filming potential. For something that didn't cost anyone anything, the Challenge was outstanding. And Wannabe, I am outside the click, feel free to send me anything to read if you would like an opinion.
I'm really curious about who you guys think the click is. Can you please PM me a list of who? I promise I will not share your list with anyone. Thanks.
Just to clarify, my comment about hoping an SS regular got picked was specifically pointed at Keaton and nobody else.
Wannabe, I quite enjoyed your comments. Especially on mine. I'm nobody to say who stays or goes around here.
Keaton. Scroll down to the bottom of King's Speech and tell me what the last two words are??? THE END.
Maybe you should email mister Seidler and tell him his script failed to meet your criteria. Plus, Keaton started this by calling out "What's with you SS people and The End?"
A stupid argument I know. But, I like to argue. You'll get to know me if you stick around. I'm not half bad and you learn to take everything I say with a fist of salt.
There is no "click". Outside of the OWC there's just people reading each other's scripts. People know those who read their scripts. And people know when those people don't return reads. It's that simple. When you hang out here just during the OWC you might perceive a "click", but it's only the people who are regularly here. That group changes with time as well. The acceptance into this group is that you participate regularly. You can ask K(hamanananana) about this. She gets it.
Well, I'll take your word for it. Since you are a level headed upright guy.
Clique might be a grey area. There are a group of folks who stand out more than others, and these few gravitate towards one another.
I've been here for many years off and on from being banned, my own ego and other quarks... I' ve never been apart off the main circle, but I feel apart of this site. And I owe alot of my earlier work, when I would post it, to this site and the feed back I was given... Phil, Bert, and Shelton are undeniable in talent.
So clique or not, you can still learn a lot just by looking through the glass.
Ok. Guys. The point here is there is no Click or Clique - however you want to spell it.
This is probably the most tolerant and accepting of differences screenwriting site on the planet. Everyone is welcome here as long as they don't wreak havoc. Even Ray (Sorry Ray couldn't resist ).
Everyone is welcome here as long as they don't wreak havoc. Even Ray (Sorry Ray couldn't resist ).
Oh my God. You sissies are such delicate flowers.
I've always been on the outside of any clique. Always. I'm long accustomed to being tolerated as a clique of one, where people from different backgrounds routinely cast sideways, polite smiles at me. At best.
Ain't never come home dead. Ain't never starved to death, either. Somehow...
On an unrelated note, people should be reminded (in future OWC's) to clear their names off their Adobe program before they convert their script to PDF. (I think that's how it works) Apparently some didn't know that if you right clique on a script and go to document properties, it displays their name.
Kinda puts a damper on the whole anonymity thing.
EDIT: Excellent job, wonkavite, on writing Territory. You nailed it.
Congratulations and well done to everyone who’s actively participated in this challenge. Thanks to the organizers for doing a great job. It’s been a lot of fun as per usual.
Is this my acceptance speech...
No, it is not.
I’m incredibly flattered to be suggested as a possible author for Captive, but to find my entry you need to look among the non-vote getters.
There was a request by a moderator in the middle of his announcement process that was a little unsettling. It kind of had the tone of a suggestion to pick one of the regulars. But I seriously doubt that influenced the process.
Oh, gosh. I had no idea it would come off like that.
I did not mean it that way, but I can certainly see what you mean.
Producing a film is a thickly collaborative process, and my only point was that "all things being equal" between a few scripts, Rick might want access to the names so he could know who he might be working with down the road.
I look forward to the rewrite Wonka. I recall some good things in that story. Had some questions too, will be cool to see what you come up with. Send it to me if you want an early read.
No harm, no foul Bert. I ran a forum for my bar, and have been involved with many forums. The moderators here do a fantastic job. Keep up the good work!
I'm incredibly flattered to be suggested as a possible author for Captive, but to find my entry you need to look among the non-vote getters.
Hmmm.
EDIT: Ok I'm going to guess c m hall. My first impression was that it wasn't her because it wasn't as out there (in a good way) as her stuff usually is. However, the deer being partially eaten is sort of similar to her OWC entry with the goo. So I think she is a possible candidate.
Well, counting out all the "deniers", those who have admitted to something else, those I already know, and those whom "it can't" be, the list is narrowed.
Then looking through those who participated in the reviewing, and taking a guy who generally dabbles in horror anyway, I will guess: JC Shadow.
Producing a film is a thickly collaborative process, and my only point was that "all things being equal" between a few scripts, Rick might want access to the names so he could know who he might be working with down the road.
I think yours is a definitely legit point and why it's popular to rail against cronyism in any position of responsibility. Often leaders feel more comfortable picking a team from people they know or from references they trust rather than starting a floor to ceiling all out audition. Don't even get me started on "statistical diversity in the workplace". Ugh.
People are strange.
Their work habits and abilities are huge variables.
Ok I'm going to guess c m hall. My first impression was that it wasn't her because it wasn't as out there (in a good way) as her stuff usually is. However, the deer being partially eaten is sort of similar to her OWC entry with the goo. So I think she is a possible candidate.
It is understandable that people choose to work with or hire people that they have worked with before, people they trust. I don't think that should really be a part of the process here, however. It was set up as a Challenge, a contest.
If one's resume and biography was to be a part of it, then do it differently. Invite people to post with their info.
If you want this to maintain its credibility, you'll want to encourage the notion that the producer will pick the script he likes best. Which is what I think happened, but the other remarks suggest something more complicated.
I ask this innocently: how thickly collaborative is a short? How much does the director need from the writer once he decides on the story?
If there is more work needed on a script, and for some reason the author became unavailable, could not another writer step in and help?
I think there should be a little benefit of the doubt given on writers submitting a short. They would for the most be eager to see their work produced, so would be active in the process. But if in the unlikely event that turned out to be not the case, the producer would figure that out quickly, and either get another writer to help, or move on to another script.
There is already a sense in this industry that if you don't know someone and haven't been produced yet, it's very difficult to break in. People enter contests like this because there is a hope they will be a little different. Reading Rick's posts, I had the sense he was being very fair, looking for what matched his vision. I just hope it stays that way in the future.
I'm going to say that after some investigation I don't think it's cm hall or Buster.
I don't think it's Pia's because I think she might have mentioned to me that she entered - though you never know. I think you think it's hers because it's written using the same software and machine that she uses.
Could be ReaperCreeper, though he hasn't been around and he's usually around if he does an OWC.
I thought Trojan had already posted that Keaton was not the author of Captive. He sounded like he had some inside info on that. Could it be Trojan himself?
So, I'm already wrong guessing it was Whitcroft and, frankly, Captive could have been written by a handful of people. Doubt that it's Reaper, because as Cornetto mentioned he hasn't been around. Also eliminated Shelton for that same reason.
Time for Don to pull the curtain up and reveal all.
Time for Don to pull the curtain up and reveal all.
Mine were Crimson Swirl and Business Before Pleasure. Sorry, I had Don pull them. I did it in the heat of the moment. Won't happen again. Moving right along --->
EDIT: Thanks to anyone who gave them a read. If I didn't get to your script please let me know in a PM and I'll return the favor.
When I first read Captive I thought it might be Keaton's, because I've read a good feature script of his that is in the same genre.
Nah, my scripts were written the week before for a Uabhos Mythos project that called for Celtic themed scripts. It is going to be a collaborative thing, so I whipped out three scrpts, one got taken immediately. That left me with 'The Gwragedd Annwn' to show people driven by magical influence, that didn't work out. My other was 'Water's Edge' a more subtle piece and one more indicative of my style. Of both of them I think 'Water's Edge' has the most potential. After the thing started I was informed of the rules, so I asked to pull my scripts. Don asked me to keep them in, so I did.
I really want to know which one you wrote Phillip.
Well every little guess eliminates someone else. Though, of course, someone could be lying.
EDIT: Though we could go through this entire process and at the end find out it was Sandra. The headlining story tomorrow would read that everyone participating in the Feb OWC mysteriously went into shock. Doctors are not sure if they will recover. Not that Sandra couldn't write something like Captive, it would just certainly be a shocker.
I ask this innocently: how thickly collaborative is a short? How much does the director need from the writer once he decides on the story?
If there is more work needed on a script, and for some reason the author became unavailable, could not another writer step in and help?
Shorts are just as they appear little features. So it varies. I've done multiple rewrites for directors, I've handed them off and got the finished product in return, I even had one guy bring in another writer to rewrite(screw up) my script, I've had actors change lines, and I've had screenplays shot verbatim to the script. Some are bad, some are good. I've not made a dime on any short. So, it's good practice for what you will experience with a feature.
It could be, because I told you. I guess though your brain is used for memory. Well, in your advanced age that might be tough.
You know what us old folk think when someone tells us we're old. We think about the expression on the bearers face when they become our age and someone tells them the exact same thing.
Well every little guess eliminates someone else. Though, of course, someone could be lying.
EDIT: Though we could go through this entire process and at the end find out it was Sandra. The headlining story tomorrow would read that everyone participating in the Feb OWC mysteriously went into shock. Doctors are not sure if they will recover. Not that Sandra couldn't write something like Captive, it would just certainly be a shocker.
I think most people know what I had written. It's been a wonderful experience these last couple of weeks.
But yes, weird things can happen. I know from personal experience, that sometimes things can come together, where you start knowing the exact direction to take.
Some of the comments have offered me an understanding of what kind of audience I want to try and write for, the kinds of works I should study... A whole lot of things.
I'm very happy to have been able to support some top notch writers in the challenge.
I'm interested in helping the author with Lark, if they want such help.
So... should we wait for Don, or start responding to our respective scripts?
No idea. Haven't heard anything from him today and don't even know if he plans to post the names. So do anything at your own risk. However, I'm pretty sure you won't be disqualified at this point if you want to "come out". But try not to ruin any big surprises for others.
Are you sure about that, Greg? If you read the review James left for Captive, it would lead me to think otherwise. Bringing up the weaknesses in the script and then declaring it his favorite. If his intention was to throw everyone off, it worked.
Are you sure about that, Greg? If you read the review James left for Captive, it would lead me to think otherwise. Bringing up the weaknesses in the script and then declaring it his favorite. If his intention was to throw everyone off, it worked.
Oh this Captive thing is driving me crazy. E.D. please pm me and tell me who wrote it so I can get other things done. I won't tell anyone else. Cheers.
Are you sure about that, Greg? If you read the review James left for Captive, it would lead me to think otherwise. Bringing up the weaknesses in the script and then declaring it his favorite. If his intention was to throw everyone off, it worked.
Ah, a classic SS trick. The other side of the coin would be to declare it the worst of the bunch to throw everyone off as well.
I dunno, the script just seemed like his writing. Or maybe it was Alan Holman's.
Wild Ginger's Wine. Such a cool title. Such a unique way you did this one. Good on ya.
Sandra
I'm starting the responses in that thread; the format was unintended. I was caught stacking. That was my mess up.
BTW, I did rewrite and correct it, the new version will be up in a few days if not sooner. The ending is also different and the three human characters have a little fleshing out.
I'm starting to think it may be someone who recently joined up, Bert. Maybe not newbie to writing, but just to SS.
Ok then. Extraterrestrials from the planet Ohzod wrote Captive. There's a large lag in their internet connection which is why they haven't responded yet.
It is understandable that people choose to work with or hire people that they have worked with before, people they trust. I don't think that should really be a part of the process here, however. It was set up as a Challenge, a contest.
If one's resume and biography was to be a part of it, then do it differently. Invite people to post with their info.
If you want this to maintain its credibility, you'll want to encourage the notion that the producer will pick the script he likes best. Which is what I think happened, but the other remarks suggest something more complicated.
I ask this innocently: how thickly collaborative is a short? How much does the director need from the writer once he decides on the story?
If there is more work needed on a script, and for some reason the author became unavailable, could not another writer step in and help?
I think there should be a little benefit of the doubt given on writers submitting a short. They would for the most be eager to see their work produced, so would be active in the process. But if in the unlikely event that turned out to be not the case, the producer would figure that out quickly, and either get another writer to help, or move on to another script.
There is already a sense in this industry that if you don't know someone and haven't been produced yet, it's very difficult to break in. People enter contests like this because there is a hope they will be a little different. Reading Rick's posts, I had the sense he was being very fair, looking for what matched his vision. I just hope it stays that way in the future.
There's no dodginess going on...but I understand why you were worried.
The OWCs aren't competitions, they were created by a board member as a challenge. The prime purpose of them was for people to comment anonymously on the scripts so that the writers could improve.
Some people would enter and never give feedback, so they became known as leeches...taking feedback but giving nothing back.
In this particular one there was a "prize" of sorts...and it's natural that Bert hoped that a script that got so much attention was by a regular who has contributed a lot, rather than someone who has just signed up for the contest and will never say anything on the board.
I just read Wonka's rewrite of Territory. She really added a lot to it, very nice improvement. I think she's going to repost soon, hope people take another look. The first scene is all new.
There's no dodginess going on...but I understand why you were worried.
The OWCs aren't competitions, they were created by a board member as a challenge. The prime purpose of them was for people to comment anonymously on the scripts so that the writers could improve.
Some people would enter and never give feedback, so they became known as leeches...taking feedback but giving nothing back.
In this particular one there was a "prize" of sorts...and it's natural that Bert hoped that a script that got so much attention was by a regular who has contributed a lot, rather than someone who has just signed up for the contest and will never say anything on the board.
Rick.
And to add on to this -- Rick's choice is not really considered a part of the OWC. He might have set the goal for the challenge and as a result he has a pool of scripts he could choose from (if he wanted one). But the OWC is the process of script creation over a short period of time, not the outcome of the script actually being chosen for production.
In a sense because Rick was looking for a script you get a better OWC experience because you are getting an actual production request and you feel that your script has a possibility of being produced at the end. You take it more seriously.
However, the OWC and Rick's production are only associated via timing and in no other way.
Wow, I went to the beach and you're still guessing. Well, I've had my fun, so here's the reveal. I hope he won't mind being outed. I will say this, he did greatly appreciate the heated debate on the thread by members. He's a good bloke and wants to contribute more, film school makes it tough.
Well said Rick, and I was very impressed with how it was run. I've posted a lot on the Challenge, and pretty much all positive. I also trust Bert, and the fact that he posted his concern in the open when he could have used PM suggests action of integrity. Great job, I learned a lot, and I am busy doing reads for people. I've sent in my own rewrite of SL and I think we're all working together to get better. My post above was a response to some other remarks. I'm looking forward to the film!
Ok then. Extraterrestrials from the planet Ohzod wrote Captive. There's a large lag in their internet connection which is why they haven't responded yet.
No. It was Ohrod's third moon... Seriously, reason I think it's recent member is because the runner up was. Of course, it may be a SS vet----they love seeing you go dizzy!
I appreciated this contest, even though I buggered the rules on my first go. I did get to meet some new people and made a new fan, I'm looking at you jwent.
I could certainly not forget Pia! My story became one that achieved consideration by Rick due in no small measure to her input. Basically, she didn't like it. So I tried to tweak it until it was a little better, clearer.
If only I had been also able to get Phil's very insightful criticism BEFORE the Challenge. My rewrite fixes the suspense problem he wisely saw in the script.
The story is still maybe too cryptic, but with the revisions inspired by Pia and then Phil, it's much better. I owe them drinks if I ever see them at the end of the bar!
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with you would be very difficult. I can't say I'm at all shocked by the outcome, either. Very close nit group. Friends of a circle make a square feel out of shape... 
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