I was waiting patiently for this argument (not the thread itself, but the arguing) to die down. It hasn't.

Quoted from Mr. Blonde I was waiting patiently for this argument (not the thread itself, but the arguing) to die down. It hasn't.

I've tried my best to keep this on topic.

Quoted from Warren No need to call me a troll, I feel as a mod you should be above that. I'm clearly not, I've presented my points, and reiterated them several times. I'm saying that I also have no knowledge of Lovecraft and because of that I didn't enjoy it.

No, I didn't call you a troll. I asked if you were trolling.

And, no. I'm not a mod. I'm just hosting the OWC. Also, you'd be surprised what I'm not above doing.

Quoted from Mr. Blonde I was waiting patiently for this argument (not the thread itself, but the arguing) to die down. It hasn't.

Really wasn't my intention to argue. Sorry about that.

I think it's also worth pointing out that the ambiguous route with no explanation is the far easier one. How convenient it is if stuff just happens in your story to drive your plot forward. It’s much harder giving your characters purpose, giving them motivations, and tying up why things happen. I don’t think that can be argued.

The Lovecraft script obviously doesn’t fall into this category. The writer knew what they were doing and some got the references, that’s different. But again, just because I didn’t get it, doesn’t make my thoughts about the script any less valid.

Quoted from Zack No, I didn't call you a troll. I asked if you were trolling. And, no. I'm not a mod. I'm just hosting the OWC. Also, you'd be surprised what I'm not above doing.

And who does trolling... trolls?

Good to know.

Please stay on topic.

Can someone link to the OWC script that inspired this topic, if we are to engage thoughtfully?

Quoted from Warren And who does trolling... trolls?

Angry people with keyboards. I'm done.

Here ya go, Ben.

Oh man, Warren...sad.  Seriously sad.  You just can't stop, even though it's so fucking obvious you're wrong, your a narcissist, and you continually try to turn peeps' words around.

Bottom line - if you don't see the difference in the 2 scripts being discussed and why one is the writer's fault and the other is your fault, it's a mute point.

Unbelievable!!!

I skimmed it. I know what Lovecraftian mean/is, and it's still a bad script (sorry writer), and not really Lovecraft-like except in the manner of having a mysterious and unimaginable creature. I don't give a shit about this girl on a boat so it's not suspenseful when the Cthculu (Sp)-like creature does whatever to her.

Is the argument over now? Gotta say, this thread reached 4chan-like levels of hostility. Where's Don? Lock this shit. I'm the captain now.

Quoted from Dreamscale it's a mute point.

Do you mean "moot point" or is that a joke? When you say "moot point" IRL are you actually pronouncing it as "mute", cause I love that.

Quoted from AlsoBen Can someone link to the OWC script that inspired this topic, if we are to engage thoughtfully?

Hey Ben, this was never about a particular script. It was about an idea, as discussed in the initial post. An idea that I think a story is better when motivations are clear.

But who was disagreeing with you on that? Isn't that like screenwriting 101? Your characters have to have "motivations"? I don't get it.

Quoted from AlsoBen Do you mean "moot point" or is that a joke? When you say "moot point" IRL are you actually pronouncing it as "mute", cause I love that.

It’s pronounced moo. You know, like a cow’s opinion. It’s moo.

Quoted from AlsoBen But who was disagreeing with you on that? Isn't that like screenwriting 101? Your characters have to have "motivations"? I don't get it.

I felt I couldn’t get invested in a certain script because I didn’t understand why things were happing (something I’ve said in one way or another about several scripts in this particular OWC).

Somehow it was then argued that it was my issue that I didn’t get it, and that I should just use google to fill in the blanks. I disagree with this.

So I'm saying that if from the script/movie I can’t see any clear motivations that it’s the writer’s issue not mine. Some disagree.

It’s also been said that there don’t need to be motivations at all, things can just happen. I didn’t disagree, I just said I can’t guarantee I'll enjoy your story if I don’t know why stuff is happening.

It’s really as simple as that. Unfortunately it’s been pulled in serval directions regarding seats and my ability to give a good review.

I’ve since been told I’m narcissistic, my intellect has been brought into question, I’ve been asked if I was trolling, and the funniest one of all that I turn peoples words around, WTF? A seat was brought into a discussion about motivations Ha-ha.

Quoted from AlsoBen I skimmed it. I know what Lovecraftian mean/is, and it's still a bad script (sorry writer), and not really Lovecraft-like except in the manner of having a mysterious and unimaginable creature. I don't give a shit about this girl on a boat so it's not suspenseful when the Cthculu (Sp)-like creature does whatever to her. Is the argument over now? Gotta say, this thread reached 4chan-like levels of hostility. Where's Don? Lock this shit. I'm the captain now.

I love when people “skim� scripts then try to give an informed opinion. It’s funny because the opinion becomes pointless.