Quoted from mcornetto Only four more to go.  Kind of burning out on the religious themes - but I'll get through the rest.   Seems like there have been a good amount of reads for everyone this OWC - so great work all.

I was burned out on those themes since yesterday. I have a lot of respect (and sympathy) for those brave souls who have read everything, especially when a chunk of these started to bleed into each other. I haven't commented on everything, and I think I read everything, but I can't be sure because, again, I felt like every other OWC sp was a rewrite of the previous one I read---with all the religious themes and priests, nuns and demons. I think this was a tough OWC not just to write...but read as well.

Some titles also sound alike, although that couldn't be helped I 'spose.

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley I haven't commented on everything, and I think I read everything, but I can't be sure because, again, I felt like every other OWC sp was a rewrite of the previous one I read---with all the religious themes and priests, nuns and demons. I think this was a tough OWC not just to write...but read as well.

Not sure if you have a typo in here or not, Darren, but you definitely did not comment on everything, and if you read everything, I don't know why you wouldn't comment on it, at least briefly, but as is always the case, you chose not to comment on mine, and that makes every single OWC and every single script I've ever written that's been posted on SS.

But, that doesn't surprise me either.

So...was I correct on yours?

Quoted from Dreamscale I think DJS wrote the one about the super heroes.

I knew I missed one to read. I'll find it. I don't recall reading one w/ superheroes. But what I do know Jeff, is that I didn't write one w/ Superheroes. I was tempted to have mine around a comic book character, and make it a fan-script, but changed my mind.

Quoted from Dreamscale Not sure if you have a typo in here or not, Darren, but you definitely did not comment on everything, and if you read everything, I don't know why you wouldn't comment on it, at least briefly, but as is always the case, you chose not to comment on mine, and that makes every single OWC and every single script I've ever written that's been posted on SS. But, that doesn't surprise me either. So...was I correct on yours?

I said I didn't comment on everything Jeff. Lay off the sauce  
I said I wasn't sure if I read everything, and I was correct. Even so, I don't feel I need to comment on everything even if I did read it. I don't want to sound like a kool aid drinker. If there's nothing new to say, generally I won't say it.

As for not getting to your entry  
What are the odds?

Quoted from DarrenJamesSeeley I said I didn't comment on everything Jeff. Lay off the sauce   I said I wasn't sure if I read everything, and I was correct. Even so, I don't feel I need to comment on everything even if I did read it. I don't want to sound like a kool aid drinker. If there's nothing new to say, generally I won't say it. As for not getting to your entry   What are the odds?

Lay off the sauce?  Meaning what. exactly?  I'm far from on any special sauce right now, bro...just got back from a big business trip...relaxing, trying to catch up on all I missed today on these threads, as they actually mean alot to me.

What are the odds of you commenting on a script of mine?  I an easily say they're ZERO %, as you've never commented on anything of mine, which means you're probably down about 14 to ZERO, but that's OK, bro.  As I said, the odds are highly against that ever happening.

Just want to apologize for my quick responses I'm giving to these latter stories I'm reading.  I'll go over them a little more thoroughly later.  I just want to spend more time reading right now so I can get my vote in to Don.

Right, I’m finished getting through them all I think. If I missed anyone and they want a read, just pm me.

Great effort by everyone on what was a really tough challenge. And an extra special mention to Ray for some outstanding feedback. I was impressed with his analysis of the scripts – good stuff.

When do we start guessing the authors?

Quoted from Dreamscale We'll find out soon who the A-Holes are that didn't read any, or just a few.  You know who you are, so now's your last chance to jump in and start...before we send Cowboy Sam after you!!!!!

I have to admit to being surprised by the lack of readers, I think it was 32 members of the board that entered.  There certainly weren’t 32 readers about but on the same note, a big thanks to guys/gals who didn’t enter but were giving out reads.

I assume Don as written to everyone asking for one choice. One! That's hard.

In respect of the reads, i thought the turn out was quite good this time. Seem to remember even less last october.

Now, which one?

Does anyone know when the reveal is coming.  Today? Tomorrow? Haven't been too active on these boards but will try'n get through them all this weekend.   Want to read them before the reveal, before my comments loose all credibility.

Two to go for me... all done now.

I think the reviewing turnout has been pretty good. Not everyone has the time to review 36 of them.  

If it were me and I couldn't critique all, I'd at least read all of them, so my vote for fav. was legit.

And, as for voting I think it's one thing to judge the writing i.e. format/description etc but 'story' is key here in regard to the eventual audio performance imh. Should go without saying really... but I just thought I'd add my 2c.

Okay, finally finished. I think I skipped 1 or 2 entries because they seemed like they were from a first writer and I didn't want to echo everyone's comments and flame the script. But, hey, if I missed you and you want me to comment, I'd be happy to.

Only one 'A', I think 4 or 5 'B's? Two of them recommended first to read by Dena.

Can't wait to see the writers. I used Jeff's sneaky doc property way to find out a few entrants but kind of regret it now.

It's hard picking a favourite entry, three would have been good but what can you do?

Great job, everybody. A pleasure reading the scripts.

I also read all the scripts. Didn't comment on some due to as Mo said...people before had already said the same things over and over.

This was a hard contest to pick 'just one' for me. I had about five in the almost equal range on my list.

Congrats to everyone, no matter the feedback, on getting a script together and working to stay in the parameters. It's not about winning but about learning and I know I've yet again, learned a huge amount about writing, story, and cost analysis(thanks to Ray)

Enjoyed this lil OWC. Hate judging though.

I love Ray, but I have no idea where he comes up with these production costs numbers. I will respectfully disagree with him though. Reason being is that he has no idea what the filmmakers/producers have access to and what type of quality film they aim to make. I've seen people make unbelievable features for less than $10K and i've seen people spend $50K on a short. There's also no way of knowing what they can do with CGI. That's the reason, I would say, not to put to much focus on Ray's budget numbers for your scripts.  

Quoted from Grandma Bear I love Ray, but I have no idea where he comes up with these production costs numbers. I will respectfully disagree with him though. Reason being is that he has no idea what the filmmakers/producers have access to and what type of quality film they aim to make. I've seen people make unbelievable features for less than $10K and i've seen people spend $50K on a short. There's also no way of knowing what they can do with CGI. That's the reason, I would say, not to put to much focus on Ray's budget numbers for your scripts.

Good news Pia to some of us who went 'over' micro budget per Ray's analysis. I tried to write low budget but even mine was scored more expensive that I thought it would be to produce.

First, thank you everyone for your recognition of what I did put into this.
You are very much appreciated.
Sincerely.
You guys are great.

Quoted from Grandma Bear I love Ray, but I have no idea where he comes up with these production costs numbers. I will respectfully disagree with him though. Reason being is that he has no idea what the filmmakers/producers have access to and what type of quality film they aim to make. I've seen people make unbelievable features for less than $10K and i've seen people spend $50K on a short. There's also no way of knowing what they can do with CGI. That's the reason, I would say, not to put to much focus on Ray's budget numbers for your scripts.

EXACTLY!

BTW: And I love you too, Pia.
I think you're cooler than an iceberg's toes!

Your point here is just what my disclaimer addresses:

Quoted from RayW Most of all - this sh!t is subjective. How one producer evaluates your submission will be different than how five or twenty-five other producers evaluate your submission based upon their own individual capabilities in production, estimating, and marketing.

Please, let me be clear: In no way do I EVER want to get into some p!ssing contest over subjective evaluations as this.
I know that.
You (and to everyone alse: Pia) know(s) this.
"Well, Ray says it will cost $X,000 t make this!"
"Well, Pia says it will cost half as much!"
OMG. Please, just don't...
Anybody ever get bids from several contractors to do the same job? Same thing.
based upon their own individual capabilities in production, estimating, and marketing.



Now, if you guys are game, I can trot out a thread of shorts with known costs, whole or partial since a lot of these things are pretty sketchy.
We can kick the tire, take a look under the hood, and beep the horn all together.

We will see amazing shorts with casts of fifty friends that cost nothing.
We will see sh!t shorts that some fool spent the price of a nice car to make.
Mostly we'll see 4 - 10minute shorts that cost from $2,000 to $5,000 to make.

No one makes money with shorts.
Film festivals show roughly a hundred shorts and turn down several thousand submissions each year.
What good is a short that no one wants to watch or only a hundred people watch?
Youtube's full of them.

If you got actor friends that'll work for sanwiches and film credits - fine.
Most folks gotta goto craigslist.org, book audition space at local libraries or whatnot, and then pay the actors... something.
Same for the audio guy.
Often the producer is also the director / also the DP / also the editor.

Maybe you know a motel manager/owner that'll let you have an empty room for free or walk-on part in the short, or doesn't mind if your crew up-ends the room or moves everything outside for "a few hours."
Probably not, though.

Props and costumes cost money.
Actors cost money.
Locations and permits often cost money.
Insurance certainly costs money.
Cameras.
Sound crew.
Editing equipment.
Film festival submission fees.

Well... how much does all this shhhtuff cost?

Why is my "driving down the road in the rain" scene getting cut?
Well... what is the director supposed to do? Wait until it rains one night when the actor + director/DP + audio guy are all available to shoot that scene?
Puh-leeeeeeze.

A room full of dead bodies and dismembered limbs with blood sloshed everywhere is going to be a $$$ nightmare. The scene had better last longer than 15 screen seconds.

Right?
This isn't Hollywood.
This is Bob barkeeper or Deanna dance teacher putzin' around on their weekends just havin' some serious fun.

My intent was only to provide SOME context.
I hope I showed some. Nothing difinitive.
Just one imaginary producer's free estimate for your job, Ma'am.
I estimated to the best of my ability.
I determined the market for each submission to the best of my ability.
It is what it is.