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Dreamscale
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 9:35pm Report to Moderator
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Libby, I had to let this sit for a few moments, but I obviously need to reply to you, cause your words are very hurtful, and I’m very upset over what you said and how you chose to say it.

So, here goes…

No, I haven’t used  the character name 'Micah' before, as far as I know.

“To be perfectly honest had I known you were the 'writer' I prob. wouldn't have voted for yours, just purely for the fact you can be a bit of a condescending prick and 'know all' which is why you quite often rub people the wrong way... and you're proud of it.”

WOW, this hurts…it really does.  And, I’m taken aback here, cause I honestly don’t understand or get this.  I’m a condescending prick and “know all” (or actually, I think you mean “know it all”).  Is that because I honestly tell people what’s wrong (and right) with their writing?  As opposed to sugar coating  BS like most do?  Hmmm, I don’t get it.  A “know it all” obviously has a negative connotation associated with it, cause usually, it comes into play with peeps who constantly correct people in conversation during a regular old discussion, and most of the time, these “know it alls” are wrong as often as they’re right, but they love to think they really do know it all.  In a forum such as this, people post their writing in hopes of getting constructive feedback that will help them both with the actual posted script, as well as their writing in general.   It always amazes me when the vast majority of people write how much they loved this and that script and what a great job the writer did, when in reality, it’s not good, bad, or downright terrible.  This does no good, and it’s not what young, inexperienced, or just downright bad writers need to hear.  I go out of my way to bring up things that no one else seems to see that are downright incorrect, or need attention.  If that makes me a condescending prick, than you’re right, I am proud of it.  I always mean to help and the things I bring up do and will help.  And, I’m happy (and actually proud) to say that I have helped countless writers write better. If you wanna get down to brass fucking tacks, there’s a bunch in here who will be happy to admit that.

“Confession. I was actually a bit disappointed this a.m. (despite my suspicions) to discover you were the 'writer' of B. It was a real toss-up for me between your script and Ryan's. Both scripts (for the time constraints) were terrific. In the end I voted for yours cause I felt it really had that 'x factor' - delib. pun - 'SC of SS'.”

Again, this really hurts, and is downright offensive…and how by the way, did you learn this, this AM, or are you referring to your AM?  People always seem to love rooting for the underdog (not that it come into play here, cause Ryan is no underdog, no matter who he’s up against).  You were obviously not alone in this feeling or belief, but again, it’s pure BS, and it sucks that you or anyone else would think this way.

“Now, I'm still kind of stunned to discover you were the 'writer' of B.  Because, (minor errors aside) this is def. a cut above your usual imho. and I really didn't know you were capable of the visuals, and departure from your usual dross.”

HaHa…that’s funny, but again very hurtful.  Please, bring up these minor errors.  Usual “dross”?  Wow, again, very hurtful words, meant to hurt, obviously.  I always, ALWAYS strive for extremely visual writing, and I’m amazed you would say this.  What exactly are you basing this on?  And I’m seriously asking, cause it’s upsetting to hear that someone would say my writing isn’t visual.

“Sounds like a bit of a back-handed compliment. But really... well done. I'm proud of you  ”

Sounds like?   More than sounds like.  I wish I could say “Thanks, Libby, that’s great to hear…I appreciate it.”  I can’t and won’t take any of this as a compliment, and I’ll apologize up front.  I don’t need or want any compliments like this, thank you.

“Keep writing honestly... and you may well find success.” – I will keep writing, and maybe someday, I will find success.  I sure hope so.  You never know, huh?

Libby, I’m really bummed at your words, your tone, and that fact that you’d even want to write this.  I’m not sure what I’ve done to you or what script of yours I’ve shot down.  I’m not going to apologize for anything I’ve said, cause it’s always meant o help each and every writer, and if that’s a bad thing, then damn me, I guess I’m a bad person.
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Sandra Elstree.
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 9:37pm Report to Moderator
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I'm still needing a second for the next challenge.


I heard a rumor that Bert was going to participate. Ah, but rumors they do fly, and who to believe?

Sandra



A known mistake is better than an unknown truth.
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mcornetto
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 10:00pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Sandra Elstree.


I heard a rumor that Bert was going to participate. Ah, but rumors they do fly, and who to believe?

Sandra


That's certainly quite a rumor.  Nope, haven't heard from him.
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Sandra Elstree.
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 10:11pm Report to Moderator
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That's certainly quite a rumor.  Nope, haven't heard from him.


Maybe only in my "room".  

Sandra



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leitskev
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Bert's in your room? Hope he doesn't have a teddy bear!
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Sandra Elstree.
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 10:20pm Report to Moderator
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Bert's in your room? Hope he doesn't have a teddy bear!


No, he's much more sophisticated. He has a "Doctor's of all Science and Hell Kit"-- but to be honest, a Teddy Bear came with it, gratis-- with a purchase of $5 gazillion dollars or more.  

Sandra



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Well done, both Ryan and Jeff. 7-5 shows it was very close.

Best of luck to the next pair.


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Sandra Elstree.
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 11:35pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Dreamscale
Libby, I had to let this sit for a few moments, but I obviously need to reply to you, cause your words are very hurtful, and I’m very upset over what you said and how you chose to say it.

So, here goes…

No, I haven’t used  the character name 'Micah' before, as far as I know.

“To be perfectly honest had I known you were the 'writer' I prob. wouldn't have voted for yours, just purely for the fact you can be a bit of a condescending prick and 'know all' which is why you quite often rub people the wrong way... and you're proud of it.”

WOW, this hurts…it really does.  And, I’m taken aback here, cause I honestly don’t understand or get this.  I’m a condescending prick and “know all” (or actually, I think you mean “know it all”).  Is that because I honestly tell people what’s wrong (and right) with their writing?  As opposed to sugar coating  BS like most do?  Hmmm, I don’t get it.  A “know it all” obviously has a negative connotation associated with it, cause usually, it comes into play with peeps who constantly correct people in conversation during a regular old discussion, and most of the time, these “know it alls” are wrong as often as they’re right, but they love to think they really do know it all.  In a forum such as this, people post their writing in hopes of getting constructive feedback that will help them both with the actual posted script, as well as their writing in general.   It always amazes me when the vast majority of people write how much they loved this and that script and what a great job the writer did, when in reality, it’s not good, bad, or downright terrible.  This does no good, and it’s not what young, inexperienced, or just downright bad writers need to hear.  I go out of my way to bring up things that no one else seems to see that are downright incorrect, or need attention.  If that makes me a condescending prick, than you’re right, I am proud of it.  I always mean to help and the things I bring up do and will help.  And, I’m happy (and actually proud) to say that I have helped countless writers write better. If you wanna get down to brass fucking tacks, there’s a bunch in here who will be happy to admit that.

“Confession. I was actually a bit disappointed this a.m. (despite my suspicions) to discover you were the 'writer' of B. It was a real toss-up for me between your script and Ryan's. Both scripts (for the time constraints) were terrific. In the end I voted for yours cause I felt it really had that 'x factor' - delib. pun - 'SC of SS'.”

Again, this really hurts, and is downright offensive…and how by the way, did you learn this, this AM, or are you referring to your AM?  People always seem to love rooting for the underdog (not that it come into play here, cause Ryan is no underdog, no matter who he’s up against).  You were obviously not alone in this feeling or belief, but again, it’s pure BS, and it sucks that you or anyone else would think this way.

“Now, I'm still kind of stunned to discover you were the 'writer' of B.  Because, (minor errors aside) this is def. a cut above your usual imho. and I really didn't know you were capable of the visuals, and departure from your usual dross.”

HaHa…that’s funny, but again very hurtful.  Please, bring up these minor errors.  Usual “dross”?  Wow, again, very hurtful words, meant to hurt, obviously.  I always, ALWAYS strive for extremely visual writing, and I’m amazed you would say this.  What exactly are you basing this on?  And I’m seriously asking, cause it’s upsetting to hear that someone would say my writing isn’t visual.

“Sounds like a bit of a back-handed compliment. But really... well done. I'm proud of you  ”

Sounds like?   More than sounds like.  I wish I could say “Thanks, Libby, that’s great to hear…I appreciate it.”  I can’t and won’t take any of this as a compliment, and I’ll apologize up front.  I don’t need or want any compliments like this, thank you.

“Keep writing honestly... and you may well find success.” – I will keep writing, and maybe someday, I will find success.  I sure hope so.  You never know, huh?

Libby, I’m really bummed at your words, your tone, and that fact that you’d even want to write this.  I’m not sure what I’ve done to you or what script of yours I’ve shot down.  I’m not going to apologize for anything I’ve said, cause it’s always meant o help each and every writer, and if that’s a bad thing, then damn me, I guess I’m a bad person.


Truthfully, I couldn't be bothered to read all the words above.

Jeff. seriously,

You are NOT a prick and neither are you an asshole.

You are one helluva intelligent guy above average and you don't dare suck up
to people, but only want to tell the truth.

I'll do a "pretend swear". F&%@!*/////////////////f.... to anyone criticizing
Jeff out of place.

We, (you know who WE are) have every right to criticize Jeff because we're in
the thick of it with him, but...

One needs to join the party to know what it's about.

WE KNOW...

Jeff knows what it's about!!!

Let it go already. Do your sh///t and if you don't want to hear the truth--

Then change the channel and rest your souls.

Luv you Jeff-- Sincerely,

Sandra



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khamanna
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Quoted from Dreamscale

I'd also like to thank my friend, Khamanna for dong all she could to diss my script and steer peeps away from it.


I defended (!) A at first, but that's all I did. I posted my comments only when heard that you were out.
I'm sorry you think this way actually. I "dissed" my own script when it was up against Gary's and Ryans and when Ray and I was up I voted for Ray's because found his commercials entertaining and better than mine. It's all good fun for me, I'm not here to diss and steer people away from anything.
I voted the minute I read the scirpt without thinking which belongs to who and only then thought about it (and came up with nothing although I did say "I still know"!)
Again, I wouldn't even post my thoughts (which I did much later in the game) if I knew you were in. And the questions that I posted for the writer (turned out to be you) are actually not condescending or derogatory to the script.
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mcornetto
Posted: April 9th, 2011, 11:39pm Report to Moderator
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Well we could make this all about

A - Jeff

or

B - Finding the next challenger.

I vote B.
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LC
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Quoted from Dreamscale
Libby, I had to let this sit for a few moments, but I obviously need to reply to you, cause your words are very hurtful, and I’m very upset over what you said and how you chose to say it.

So, here goes…

No, I haven’t used  the character name 'Micah' before, as far as I know.

“To be perfectly honest had I known you were the 'writer' I prob. wouldn't have voted for yours, just purely for the fact you can be a bit of a condescending prick and 'know all' which is why you quite often rub people the wrong way... and you're proud of it.”

WOW, this hurts…it really does.  And, I’m taken aback here, cause I honestly don’t understand or get this.  I’m a condescending prick and “know all” (or actually, I think you mean “know it all”).  Is that because I honestly tell people what’s wrong (and right) with their writing?  As opposed to sugar coating  BS like most do?  Hmmm, I don’t get it.  A “know it all” obviously has a negative connotation associated with it, cause usually, it comes into play with peeps who constantly correct people in conversation during a regular old discussion, and most of the time, these “know it alls” are wrong as often as they’re right, but they love to think they really do know it all.  In a forum such as this, people post their writing in hopes of getting constructive feedback that will help them both with the actual posted script, as well as their writing in general.   It always amazes me when the vast majority of people write how much they loved this and that script and what a great job the writer did, when in reality, it’s not good, bad, or downright terrible.  This does no good, and it’s not what young, inexperienced, or just downright bad writers need to hear.  I go out of my way to bring up things that no one else seems to see that are downright incorrect, or need attention.  If that makes me a condescending prick, than you’re right, I am proud of it.  I always mean to help and the things I bring up do and will help.  And, I’m happy (and actually proud) to say that I have helped countless writers write better. If you wanna get down to brass fucking tacks, there’s a bunch in here who will be happy to admit that.

“Confession. I was actually a bit disappointed this a.m. (despite my suspicions) to discover you were the 'writer' of B. It was a real toss-up for me between your script and Ryan's. Both scripts (for the time constraints) were terrific. In the end I voted for yours cause I felt it really had that 'x factor' - delib. pun - 'SC of SS'.”

Again, this really hurts, and is downright offensive…and how by the way, did you learn this, this AM, or are you referring to your AM?  People always seem to love rooting for the underdog (not that it come into play here, cause Ryan is no underdog, no matter who he’s up against).  You were obviously not alone in this feeling or belief, but again, it’s pure BS, and it sucks that you or anyone else would think this way.

“Now, I'm still kind of stunned to discover you were the 'writer' of B.  Because, (minor errors aside) this is def. a cut above your usual imho. and I really didn't know you were capable of the visuals, and departure from your usual dross.”

HaHa…that’s funny, but again very hurtful.  Please, bring up these minor errors.  Usual “dross”?  Wow, again, very hurtful words, meant to hurt, obviously.  I always, ALWAYS strive for extremely visual writing, and I’m amazed you would say this.  What exactly are you basing this on?  And I’m seriously asking, cause it’s upsetting to hear that someone would say my writing isn’t visual.

“Sounds like a bit of a back-handed compliment. But really... well done. I'm proud of you  ”

Sounds like?   More than sounds like.  I wish I could say “Thanks, Libby, that’s great to hear…I appreciate it.”  I can’t and won’t take any of this as a compliment, and I’ll apologize up front.  I don’t need or want any compliments like this, thank you.

“Keep writing honestly... and you may well find success.” – I will keep writing, and maybe someday, I will find success.  I sure hope so.  You never know, huh?

Libby, I’m really bummed at your words, your tone, and that fact that you’d even want to write this.  I’m not sure what I’ve done to you or what script of yours I’ve shot down.  I’m not going to apologize for anything I’ve said, cause it’s always meant o help each and every writer, and if that’s a bad thing, then damn me, I guess I’m a bad person.


Jeff, you're hurt by my comments? I'm actually really surprised by your reaction. You know what your reputation is. You coulda just laughed this off... and taken my compliment.

Twas not my intention to hurt you.

I was just being blatantly honest, as you'll admit you pride yourself in being.

I was pleasantly surprised this was your script. I liked it a lot. Enough to vote for it.

Not going to continue with a to and fro debate on the boards.

Will PM you instead if you really need clarification, but I don't think you do. Look forward to reading more of yours of this calibre. Over n out.



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Dreamscale
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Oh, Khamanna, where should I begin here?  Hmmm, let’s see…

You opened up with a glee vote for A, with no feedback either way.

Then, you posted this intellectual little nugget…

“I don't know, maybe it's just me but seems like someone worked on the execution of those to make it impossible to understand who the authors are

I still know! Not going to start guessing now, only with Michael's permission.”

This was all before anyone other than you and AA had read and voted.  Does this not seem a little odd to you?

When you heard that I was out, was because at that point, I felt like I needed to do something to try and deflect what was already going on, and it looks like it worked to a certain extent.  You “knew”, but then you didn’t.  Interesting…

I’m glad to hear that you dissed your own script, and you were completely correct in doing so. I’ll add a point back into your column…you’re now up to about negative 13 or so.

Several of your comments were deleted by Michael, because you were definitely attempting to steer people away from 1 script and to the other.  The script you were attempting to steer people away from was the one that you “knew” was mine.  Are you seriously now saying you weren’t doing this?  Really?

Your questions that you decided to post later, because, at that time, you thought it must be someone else, showed that you had absolutely no clue what was even written on that script, even though it was staring you in the ass.

It always makes me laugh when I read your comments on scripts, cause they’re always 1 of 2 things…

You either wildly praise the vast majority of every script you read, and miss every single problem that’s once again, staring you in the ass…

Or…

You say unfounded negative things when you know it’s from a writer that you have issues with.

There are so many examples of this within the site.  It’s downright pathetic and humorous at the same time.

Every now and then, you get fooled by a writer and you throw out praise to those you don’t like, and once you find out who that writer was, you clam up like the little bitch you are.

It’s sad when people act this way. It really is.  So petty, so juvenile, so downright weak.

When a spade gets turned up, I think you need to call out that spade.  I’m calling it and you out.

WEAK!!!!!
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Sandra Elstree.
Posted: April 10th, 2011, 12:30am Report to Moderator
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Well we could make this all about

A - Jeff

or

B - Finding the next challenger.

I vote B.


Or, A plus B

Jeff against the next challenger...

...with...

The a new challenger named and thrown into

The Proverbial Hat and do you know how hard it is typing this
right now? My Merlin Cat is determined to lie upon my right arm and purrr....

...and he knows what a weakness I have for a purry kitty cat that follows you around all
day long asking for the 640,000 DOLLAR MASSAGE. And that's what I give: $640,000 massages. ... Merlin meows...

He lies at the foot of my bed. How can I resist?

He knows me through and through.Well,  I'm trained by my kitty cat. Yeah, Dad's right.
I'm the one who gives Kitty treats before I even get myself my coffee. What can I say?

Sandra



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khamanna
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Oh, Khamanna, where should I begin here?  Hmmm, let’s see…

You opened up with a glee vote for A, with no feedback either way.

Then, you posted this intellectual little nugget…

“I don't know, maybe it's just me but seems like someone worked on the execution of those to make it impossible to understand who the authors are

I still know! Not going to start guessing now, only with Michael's permission.”

This was all before anyone other than you and AA had read and voted.  Does this not seem a little odd to you?

When you heard that I was out, was because at that point, I felt like I needed to do something to try and deflect what was already going on, and it looks like it worked to a certain extent.  You “knew”, but then you didn’t.  Interesting…

I’m glad to hear that you dissed your own script, and you were completely correct in doing so. I’ll add a point back into your column…you’re now up to about negative 13 or so.

Several of your comments were deleted by Michael, because you were definitely attempting to steer people away from 1 script and to the other.  The script you were attempting to steer people away from was the one that you “knew” was mine.  Are you seriously now saying you weren’t doing this?  Really?

Your questions that you decided to post later, because, at that time, you thought it must be someone else, showed that you had absolutely no clue what was even written on that script, even though it was staring you in the ass.

It always makes me laugh when I read your comments on scripts, cause they’re always 1 of 2 things…

You either wildly praise the vast majority of every script you read, and miss every single problem that’s once again, staring you in the ass…

Or…

You say unfounded negative things when you know it’s from a writer that you have issues with.

There are so many examples of this within the site.  It’s downright pathetic and humorous at the same time.

Every now and then, you get fooled by a writer and you throw out praise to those you don’t like, and once you find out who that writer was, you clam up like the little bitch you are.

It’s sad when people act this way. It really is.  So petty, so juvenile, so downright weak.

When a spade gets turned up, I think you need to call out that spade.  I’m calling it and you out.

WEAK!!!!!


This is too much for me. I'done with the site.
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Sandra vs James!!!!!!!

I'm way out...
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