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Warren
Posted: June 5th, 2019, 9:22pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from leitskev
I'm inclined to look for reasons to be generous if I can. One reason is that I know I make a great many mistakes as a script reader. Jeff devours every word of the slug and action lines. I don't. My eye skips things sometimes. The result could be an unfair impression of a script. Most of these scripts are pretty indistinguishable, IMO. Not a single one stood out. A few really bombed. Most of the others were somewhere in the middle, and frankly I have a hard time breaking the grades down in categories. So for me, the scoring can't truly by indepdent categories. For example, if I think a story, with a little generosity, can be seen as fitting the criteria, but it's kind of borderline, I will reflect that in my story score. If the dialog doesn't really stand out, but isn't really in the way, and the story works, I'm more inclined to bump the dialog score.


I guess everyone has their own system and reasoning behind why they score the way they do, I donít think yours is wrong by any means. Just thought I'd point out that the writers wonít know quite how well or bad theyíve done until the end and the big reveal.

I personally like the idea that itís just one crushing blow and not 5 separate ones  


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So what was that about recognizing a comment as valid and responding to it?
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Copying the scoring sheet for those who haven't found it yet.

It's pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
The cream usually rises to the top.


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Quoted from leitskev
So what was that about recognizing a comment as valid and responding to it?


Is this to me, or my good friend, Warren?
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Quoted from FrankM
I think we have until the next submission deadline (at some point between Saturday and the following Friday, depending on your time zone).


Reviewing ends on the 7th at 11:59PM EDT. That's just to keep things uniform.


Quoted from Dreamscale
I'm scoring based on the scoring parameters we were given.

I do not agree with these at all, as some very poor scripts, scripts that should have been DQ'd, or not even read, scored rather well.


What is the prize for winning?


Quoted from Warren
So when does the next round start? I'm a bit confused by the timeline.


You get round 2's topic on the 8th at 12:00AM EDT.


Quoted from Gary in Houston
I'm looking at the scorecard, and you have no middle ground on the criteria.  Either they met the criteria or they didn't, and there are some scripts where you think, "well, maybe they did," but it's a close call.  And so if it's an otherwise admirable script, it gets severely dinged if it's right on the cusp.  All the other categories are graded on a 1 to 5 scale, but not the fusion or bobble head criteria.


I'm not here to tell you guys how to review. The whole reason I set the scoring this way is because the reviews are equally as subjective as the scripts themselves. My personal view is that if it's not a no, it's a yes. Even if a script fails miserably at being comedy or  horror (for example), the attempt is enough, in my mind. Admittedly, that's my bias. I've never been a stickler for rules and would rather see people just writing with some motivation than caring all that much about rules.


Quoted from Dreamscale
missing the parameters is what it's all about.


Actually, motivating people to write is what it's all about. Why do you think I do these challenges so often?


Quoted from leitskev
I mean this is supposed to be FUN and constructive.


Supposed to be. And, yet, they almost never end up that way, do they?


Quoted from leitskev
I would prefer to rank criteria 1 through 5.
So if it's a yes, does it get 5 pts vs 0 for no?


Yes is 5, No is 1.


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If yes is 5 and no is 1, it may effect my story score.

Most scripts will get a y from me. But some were so borderline that I can't help reflecting that in my story score.

Lost interest, Jeff.
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Isnít there an option of not scoring a script at all if anyone felt it didnít meet the criteria?  We only have to have reviewed half of them for the points to count, right?   If so thatís an option for Jeff or anyone else   Simply donít mark that script   Just a point lol



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Quoted from stevie
Isnít there an option of not scoring a script at all if anyone felt it didnít meet the criteria?  We only have to have reviewed half of them for the points to count, right?   If so thatís an option for Jeff or anyone else   Simply donít mark that script   Just a point lol

Yes. On the scorecard for those not read/reviewed - DNS - did not score.


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Quoted from stevie
Isnít there an option of not scoring a script at all if anyone felt it didnít meet the criteria?



I think that completely defeats the point of the scoring system, doesnít it?

If it didnít meet the criteria it will take a hit, 1 point as opposed to 5. Thatís a decent penalty. The script can still have good dialogue, character, etc. and score well in those areas. What is the point of penalizing it further?


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Quoted from LC
Yes. On the scorecard for those not read/reviewed - DNS - did not score.


So...does that help...or hurt the average score?  It will help, because it's rare they'd get a 1 average.  And any decent script, should not be getting an average of 1.

I don't know, it's never easy or "fair".  I don't mean to be attacking Kev, as I actually like the guy.

BUT...scoring outside what is set up, is just wrong.

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Quoted from Warren
[quote=stevie]Isnít there an option of not scoring a script at all if anyone felt it didnít meet the criteria? /quote]


I think that completely defeats the point of the scoring system, doesnít it?

If it didnít meet the criteria it will take a hit, 1 point as opposed to 5. Thatís a decent penalty. The script can still have good dialogue, character, etc. and score well in those areas. What is the point of penalizing it further?


Because, if it doesn't meet the parameters and doesn't even try, how can that script win the round?

Check this out...

Story - 5
Characters - 5
Dialogue - 5
Prose - 5
Criteria - 1

Average - 4.2!!!  Really?  That's the winning script!  BS!!!!!

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I'm choosing to use the criteria as a general guideline. There is no real way to create completely separate scoring. That's illusive.

Let me pose a hypothetical. What if the requirement was fusion, in a vehicle, involving a cup of coffee. Apply this to the Spider script that won the OWC. Would it score well? The cup of coffee played a small part. Dialog was limited. It had one character, and he was not very dimensional. But the story was easily the best of the bunch, far and away. What I wouldn't give to be able to write that way.  

I'm looking at the scripts here as a complete package, then using the categories as a guideline. You can all that
"wrong", but in many scripts there's no clear way to measure some things, sometimes dialog or character.
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Quoted from leitskev
I'm choosing to use the criteria as a general guideline. There is no real way to create completely separate scoring. That's illusive.

Let me pose a hypothetical. What if the requirement was fusion, in a vehicle, involving a cup of coffee. Apply this to the Spider script that won the OWC. Would it score well? The cup of coffee played a small part. Dialog was limited. It had one character, and he was not very dimensional. But the story was easily the best of the bunch, far and away. What I wouldn't give to be able to write that way.  

I'm looking at the scripts here as a complete package, then using the categories as a guideline. You can all that
"wrong", but in many scripts there's no clear way to measure some things, sometimes dialog or character.


Exactly, that was an OWC with a single score, this is very different...and there is the problem.

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The criteria is the most important aspect of each script in this   Doesnít matter how good the rest of it is.  



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Quoted from stevie
The criteria is the most important aspect of each script in this   Doesnít matter how good the rest of it is.  


But thatís entirely based on what you think.

Sean's system and scoring implies otherwise. He decided not to go with the usual OWC scoring so we use what we're given in the manner it was intended to be used. I donít think we should be comparing it to how we would score an OWC, but how Sean has asked. The scripts that tick off most areas will still rise to the top.

I donít know, that makes sense to me.


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