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I was listening to this soundtrack today and when I looked at YouTube found they had the entire animation there. This is 'The Point' from the 1970s. The version I have had Dustin Hoffman as the voice of the father so this one sounds a bit weird to me because he isn't the father's voice in this one. But the father in this one is Ringo Starr and that's pretty good too.
Anyway, I recommend watching the whole thing if you get a chance. It's a little slow to start and the animation seems a bit crude but it's well worth the watch. It's got some great songs later and a cute imaginative storyline. It definitely wasn't one of my favourites the first time I watched it but it's really grown on me and it's one of my favourites now.
Cornetto, The Point was one of my favs too. "The whole point to the Pointless Forest is that there is no point" still sticks in my head. I haven't watched it since it originally aired on TV. I'll check it out on YouTube.
In this thing we're in called "Earth Time" we see things in the perception of unwholeness and incompleteness - the necessary "hard part" in growing.
The truth is, that everything already exists in its perfect form; we just don't see it yet. Kind of like when you head on a trip somewhere you've never been before. It still exists, only you've never seen it before.
Thanks for the video. And Michael... I'm downloading The Point. I do remember it, but it was sooooo LONG ago. Wow.
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You guys are a bad influence. This thread is completely filled with reasons not to be working. Not only am I now stuck with a bunch of songs in my head, I'm trapped in a thread. Ahhhhhhhh!
My band, for the most part... But U2's "No line on the horizon" & "unknown Caller" and any and everything Matthew Good. As always... but probably just to get ideas for my own stuff.
Also, I find "wrecking Ball" to be one of the best songs in the last 10 years. Incredible song from a damn good nearly unknown band.
Baltis, do you have a youtube video of your band? I would love to hear your sound.
I have to add two songs that have been playing in my head interchangeably over the week. First is Sizzla ft Rihanna "Give me a try" and the other is Coldplay's "Viva la vida" (I think Chris Martin's the bomb) lol!
Btw, I hope Sizzla's patois intro wont make you go "WTF?"
I can't stop listening to "The Hazards of Love" in its entirety by The Decemberists. At first I was on the fence about it, as it's a 17-track CD that plays as one long song, but it's actually quite amazing. It demands a full listen each time. Which can be quite time consuming, but it's worth it.
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One of my favourite bands, Smile Empty Soul, just released their fourth album (officially it's only the third) and I just can't get this track out of my head:
Down in the hole / Jesus tries to crack a smile / Beneath another shovel load
One of my favourite bands, Smile Empty Soul, just released their fourth album (officially it's only the third) and I just can't get this track out of my head:
These guys sound good, rob. I'll have to do some research on them.
The song is everywhere on radio and you can't escape from it. And the video was shot in Paris... Though its addictive side, it's a message of tolerance anyway...
I thought I should post all the lyrics to Michel's song link above so you can all sing along with me!
Look inside, Look inside your tiny mind Now look a bit harder Cause we're so uninspired, so sick and tired of all the hatred you harbor
So you say It's not okay to be gay Well I think you're just evil You're just some racist who can't tie my laces Your point of view is medieval
Fuck you (Fuck you) Fuck you very, very much Cause we hate what you do And we hate your whole crew So please don't stay in touch
Fuck you (Fuck You) Fuck you very, very much Cause your words don't translate And it's getting quite late So please don't stay in touch
Do you get, Do you get a little kick out of being slow minded? You want to be like your father It's approval your after Well that's not how you find it
Do you, Do you really enjoy living a life that's so hateful? Cause there's a hole where your soul should be Your losing control of it and it's really distasteful
Fuck you (Fuck You) Fuck you very, very much Cause we hate what you do And we hate your whole crew So please don't stay in touch
Fuck you (Fuck You) Fuck you very, very much Cause your words don't translate and it's getting quite late So please don't stay in touch
First screenplay I ever wrote, in a depressed state, was about six months ago. of course, gonna write a feature and sell it for millions. Right! So my 108pg turd lies in waiting for me to revisit, after I polish my skills a little, if such a thing can be done. Anywho it was a very dramatic horror. i referenced an appalachian folk song in it that my mommy used to sing to me. Awww. The scots have argued their rights to it cause it mentions "Clyde". no matter. One of the most beautiful and emotional charged songs i've ever heard in my life. Listened to it a thousand times while writing. This is the best version IMO
I don't know why, but I've been on a King Tee flashback trip lately. The dude still kicks ass. Too bad wangsters like Eminem, Nelly, Fifty, Kanye and anybody who calls Lil' something have taken over Hip Hop - no wonder Hip Hop is dead.
Down in the hole / Jesus tries to crack a smile / Beneath another shovel load
As a total grunge freak, it's fucking awesome to hear something new from Alice In Chains. While their new lead singer can't quite compete with Layne Staley when it comes to intensity, he can definitely hold his own. I'm amazed how much this track (and the new album as a whole) sounds like the good old Alice In Chains.
Down in the hole / Jesus tries to crack a smile / Beneath another shovel load
As a total grunge freak, it's fucking awesome to hear something new from Alice In Chains. While their new lead singer can't quite compete with Layne Staley when it comes to intensity, he can definitely hold his own. I'm amazed how much this track (and the new album as a whole) sounds like the good old Alice In Chains.
Truly amazing lyrics. And yet I cannot hide from Him. No place I go can I hide.
Hear footsteps creak the floor The shadows give away Someone outside the door Won't let 'em in
Half damaged gears to grind A run down broke machine That steals your peace of mind Before you know it's gone Lay doubt, weight
Silence burning, hold your tongue Keep a separate soul they'd know
Hiding in the dark that's under Pulling to the surface Stumble, fall
A looking in view too long on the outside Desperate plans make sense and alone I... H-i-i-i-i-i-i-d-e
A looking in view too long on the outside Desperate plans make sense and alone I... H-i-i-i-i-i-i-d-e
[Savagely wicked restart]
These things I hate in you Also reflect it seems Distortion laced with spite Takes you out of me Late now, laid
Hiding in the darkness under Pulling to the surface Somethin' crawling on your skin Discomfort makes you break and run Stumble, fall
A looking in view too long on the outside Desperate plans make sense and alone I... h-i-i-i-i-i-d-e A looking in view too long on the outside Desperate plans make sense and alone I... H-i-i-i-i-i-d-e It's why you never tell me heaven's on your mind It's why you never tell me heaven's on your mind That's why you'll never tell me heaven's on your mind That's why you'll never tell me heaven's on your mind
A looking in view too long on the outside Desperate plans make sense and alone I... H-i-i-i-i-d-e A looking in view too long on the outside Desperate plans make sense and alone I... H-i-i-i-i-d-e
It's why you never tell me heaven's on your mind A vengeful mind... Oh god oooooh Selfish plans, a vengeful mind It's all gone Oooooh Except for the cross A vengeful mind just reached inside
Lyrics from Alice in Chains - A Looking in View
And thus we have the unique position of existing within two polarities.
First screenplay I ever wrote, in a depressed state, was about six months ago. of course, gonna write a feature and sell it for millions. Right! So my 108pg turd lies in waiting for me to revisit, after I polish my skills a little, if such a thing can be done. Anywho it was a very dramatic horror. i referenced an appalachian folk song in it that my mommy used to sing to me. Awww. The scots have argued their rights to it cause it mentions "Clyde". no matter. One of the most beautiful and emotional charged songs i've ever heard in my life. Listened to it a thousand times while writing. This is the best version IMO
Jwent, I know for certain I've heard this before, but it was sung by a different artist.
I just can't remember who.
If you manage to get the time to research it, I'd appreciate it. Or I will tomorrow and see what I come up with. I'm almost thinking a country artist, but it might have been kind of a country/folk artist. I'm not sure, but it was quite a different arrangement although the words are the same. I think it had a faster tempo.
Glad to see the wonderful Miss Allen here - Fuck You is one of several great songs on her second album, "It's Not Me, It's You". "22" is truly brilliant.
Seriously underrated singer/songwriter.
Those who know my work may not be at all surprised to learn I am currently working on a script entitled "Last Night Lily Allen Saved My Life"!
The song, however, that I have stuck in my head right now is "Sway".
When marimba rhythms start to play Dance with me, make me sway Like a lazy ocean hugs the shore Hold me close, sway me more
Like a flower bending in the breeze Bend with me, sway with ease When we dance you have a way with me Stay with me, sway with me
Other dancers may be on the floor Dear, but my eyes will see only you Only you have that magic technique When we sway I go weak
I can hear the sounds of violins Long before it begins Make me thrill as only you know how Sway me smooth, sway me now
Other dancers may be on the floor Dear, but my eyes will see only you Only you have that magic technique When we sway I go weak
I can hear the sounds of violins Long before it begins Make me thrill as only you know how Sway me smooth, sway me now You know how Sway me smooth, sway me now
Glad to see the wonderful Miss Allen here - Fuck You is one of several great songs on her second album, "It's Not Me, It's You". "22" is truly brilliant.
Seriously underrated singer/songwriter.
Those who know my work may not be at all surprised to learn I am currently working on a script entitled "Last Night Lily Allen Saved My Life"!
The song, however, that I have stuck in my head right now is "Sway".
When marimba rhythms start to play Dance with me, make me sway Like a lazy ocean hugs the shore Hold me close, sway me more
Like a flower bending in the breeze Bend with me, sway with ease When we dance you have a way with me Stay with me, sway with me
Other dancers may be on the floor Dear, but my eyes will see only you Only you have that magic technique When we sway I go weak
I can hear the sounds of violins Long before it begins Make me thrill as only you know how Sway me smooth, sway me now
Other dancers may be on the floor Dear, but my eyes will see only you Only you have that magic technique When we sway I go weak
I can hear the sounds of violins Long before it begins Make me thrill as only you know how Sway me smooth, sway me now You know how Sway me smooth, sway me now
That is so awesome!!! I would love to read your work when you're done!!!
Re: Sway and Michael Buble-- I love his music!!!
When this was popular, I used to overdose my son with it and get all mischievous. I used to phone him up at work when it was playing on the radio and I wouldn't "answer", but just stick the receiver to the radio.
It was a little joke we had going. It would be like, "Oh God no!!!" from Richard. "Not again!!!!" We had fun.
Thanks for this. Loved the listen. I'll have to resurrect our little game and send Richard a whole pile of youtube links again!!!
P.S. His future wife to be is as mischievous as I am; so I'm sure we will have a lot of fun!!!
I am not going to kid you guys. This is not a great song. It is not even a good song. It is not even a bad song. God knows what it is.
But "good songs" is not the title of this thread, is it?
All I know is that since hearing this "song" about a week ago, it has indeed been stuck in my head.
I do not know why. I did not ask for it. But there it is. All the time. Figured I would spread the pain around a bit.
So, enjoy the 9th wonder of the world: The Shaggs and their hit single, "My Pal Foot-Foot".
Can't wait to hear what Sandra thinks of these guys.
You've just posted the chaotic sounds that must indeed exist inside my tiny mind.
And "foot-foot" I believe is correlated to Flin Flon who has been disposed of and burned inside of the game, "Thief" due to our necessary constraints of time and reason.
But alas, I am above time and reason and call, "Come hither, Flin Flon!" and "Come hither, Foot-Foot!"
So thus:
Flin Flon and Foot-Foot both rise like a phoenix, remaking itself endlessly from the ashes.
What sounds to us as "garbage" in our vessels is actually very beautiful. It's only that we don't have the level of perception yet.
I was wondering if anyone else on here found them as addictive as I do. I find myself humming/singing their songs a lot more than a 29 year-old male probably should. But in my defense, their songs are extremely infectious. "Misery Business", "That's What You Get", "Crushcruscrush" ... I could go on.
Hayley Williams is amazing. She's smaller than my cat but she's a frickin' dynamo.
If you want to open your hole Just put your head down and go Step beside the piece of the circumstance Got to wash away the taste of evidence Wash it away [evidence x3] [got a taste of evidence]
I didn't feel a thing It didn't mean a thing Look in the eye and testify I didn't feel a thing
Anything you say, we know you're guilty Hands above your head, and you won't even feel me You won't feel me
[i didn't feel a thing]
I didn't feel a thing It didn't mean a thing Look in the eye and testify I didn't feel a thing
*guitar solo*
[evidence X3] [got a taste of evidence]
I didn't feel a thing You didn't mean a thing Look in the eye and testify I didn't feel a thing x2
Video too. I love the bit where the guitarist looks at his watch. One of those strange things that just sticks in your head.
I'm glad you liked it.
RV
Rendevous,
I think I could watch this several times and get more from it each time. The element of "waiting" is accentuated by the fact that the guitarist, stops, mid-play to check the time on his watch.
When our lead swirls the drink with his finger and then "flicks" the mic, it's like casting it all off. The title: Faith No More Evidence is important because you can't have faith WITH evidence. Once you have evidence, you have knowledge; so you fuck up in the faith department. And it means bugger all anyways. If you've got faith though, people might look at you and say you're fucked because they say you're a dreamer and who-the-hell-do-you-think-you-are-anyways? Messing around with the way things are.
x2 and x3 I'm always interested in gematria and the science of numbers. And also the innumerable.
Quoted from Sandra 'peace & love, yeah baby' Elstree
I think I could watch this several times and get more from it each time. The element of "waiting" is accentuated by the fact that the guitarist, stops, mid-play to check the time on his watch.
Finally someone else in the world for who that moment stuck in their head. For years there I thought it was just me.
I love that vid and song. Probably their finest moment. Apart 'Falling To Pieces', oh and 'Epic'. Hang on, I'm ruining my own point. Again.
As for that "Greatest in The World" I can't say I liked it. Ah well. Maybe it'll grow on me.
Been playing these all day. I have this strange urge to take you to a Gay Bar... W.T.F?
An absolutely Spinal Tap / Band Newsesque classic rawk band...
And it is Saturday night. Well, it is here.
RV
RV and myself just like to mess with you and so:
Have a contradiction will ya?
... hold on and wait!!! We're not messing with you. Well, maybe RV is, but I don't think so. I think we're just workin' on the point... and the point involves a helluva lot of contradictions as you can see. But why?
From Michael's "Rape Script" to Cindy's "Garbage Script" and Shelton's "Pimp Juice script"... What's it all about Alfie?
I rarely share music as my taste tends to be extremely esoteric but...
Electric Wizard, the so-called "heaviest band in the world" ("heavy" in the classic sense, not Slipknot "heavy"). This band's pretty much ruined Black Sabbath for me. The grooves on this particular song make Iommi look pathetic, especially toward the end. The sound is sort of vintage so I think it could appeal to classic rock or grunge fans as opposed to just metalheads.
EDIT: Gotta say I'm loving the FNM love around here!
I rarely share music as my taste tends to be extremely esoteric but...
Electric Wizard, the so-called "heaviest band in the world" ("heavy" in the classic sense, not Slipknot "heavy"). This band's pretty much ruined Black Sabbath for me. The grooves on this particular song make Iommi look pathetic, especially toward the end. The sound is sort of vintage so I think it could appeal to classic rock or grunge fans as opposed to just metalheads.
EDIT: Gotta say I'm loving the FNM love around here!
Hello James,
I'm always interested in what gets certain sparks flying in people's brains.
When I listen to this kind of music, I hear a lot of "chaos". It doesn't sound pretty to me, but I'm wondering what people who enjoy listening to it "hear".
Obviously they are hearing something different than me and so obviously they have been "wired" differently.
This is what I'm interested in. The very fact that we've all been "wired" differently. Some of us love hot sauce and onions and some of us hate it. Some of us love dry Merlot wines and others just want a gentle cooler and to go to bed with some chocolate cake.
So yes, my question is, is that if you can possibly put it into words, "What is it that you hear in this music that attracts you? What is it that you feel? Can you put it in words?" I'm really very fascinated in people's differences and would love to hear what you have to say regarding this.
I appreciate your interest, Sandra. Seriously. I'm so used to hearing people dismiss my taste as shit.
I have very strong reactions to music. Maybe even more so than films. Generally, I like my music in extremes. If I want something heavy, I'll listen to metal. If I want something gentle, I'll listen to Pink Floyd or Oasis. Most popular bands try to capture the best of both worlds and that's never been enough for me which is why I can't stand bands like The Killers. Middle ground all the way. I like dense music in just about all senses of the word. Electric Wizard is about as dense as it gets. I've also always had an affinity for metal in general. The stereotype is that it's all fast and loud which is true for a lot of bands but I think there's an atmosphere to metal that no other music can capture. Consequently, most of this band's songs are played at a dead pace.
It's like the old saying goes. If this is wrong, I don't wanna be right. Besides, I listen to all types of music. More than anyone I know. I like catchy stuff but I also like challenging music.
Hope that does something for you. If not, I can tell you I had an inner ear infection when I was a kid. Maybe that's affected my taste, haha (no joke though, I really did have an infection).
I appreciate your interest, Sandra. Seriously. I'm so used to hearing people dismiss my taste as shit.
I have very strong reactions to music. Maybe even more so than films. Generally, I like my music in extremes. If I want something heavy, I'll listen to metal. If I want something gentle, I'll listen to Pink Floyd or Oasis. Most popular bands try to capture the best of both worlds and that's never been enough for me which is why I can't stand bands like The Killers. Middle ground all the way. I like dense music in just about all senses of the word. Electric Wizard is about as dense as it gets. I've also always had an affinity for metal in general. The stereotype is that it's all fast and loud which is true for a lot of bands but I think there's an atmosphere to metal that no other music can capture. Consequently, most of this band's songs are played at a dead pace.
It's like the old saying goes. If this is wrong, I don't wanna be right. Besides, I listen to all types of music. More than anyone I know. I like catchy stuff but I also like challenging music.
Hope that does something for you. If not, I can tell you I had an inner ear infection when I was a kid. Maybe that's affected my taste, haha (no joke though, I really did have an infection).
James, thank you so much for that!!! My joy is connecting with people who are entirely different than me. I just feel like when I am blessed enough to be able to do that, that I'm really "waking up", more so every moment.
You know. when I was young I had a particular experience-- actually more than one experience where I had a particular sensation that was so very-very-very pleasant and (please I know I could easily jump to sexual feelings but it wasn't like that), it was something completely different.
That sensation I can't express in any words. I don't know what it is, but it's so very perfect. At the same time, I've been through a "health crisis" in my life where it's been so bad that I wanted to die and also, I've felt that I didn't want anyone to have to go through that same experience no matter what they might have done in the "bad scheme of things". I just don't wish it on anyone. No matter who they are or what they've done.
What it boils down to for me personally is that I feel that negative forces are a blessing in disguise. They come to challenge us and make us "real". Otherwise, we'd be nothing but binary.
In the future, I will try my best to connect with individuals on the other side of my "wiring" and partake in an experience that we will devise as "real".
I stumbled across this a few weeks ago, I had never heard it before. It feels like it would work in a soundtrack to a Tarantino film, but one he hasn't made yet.
I'm not following or stalking you, Sniper. Honest. I only speak rather coloured . Manfeckincunian. Noworramean like? Been playing old Oasis of late. Sounds very different in the surroundings of raw and stunning natural landscapes. 6 mile from nearest shop. Or pub. Especially compared to the usual shitty side of town. Talk Tonight won't gerrout of my head. Curse you Noel, you unibrowed talented git, you. Good work, fella. Shame the new stuff is pooh.
I just learned of this "hit" yesterday, and figured all my SS friends who have missed this sensation should be tortured as well.
It's about a young girl who loves cereal, is apparently quite stressed over the decision as to whether she should sit in the back seat or the front seat of a car, and loves informing her fans that the days of the week occur in a specific order.
Who the heck is she? Who knows.
This catchy little number may well be one of the signs of the apocalypse.
I just learned of this "hit" yesterday, and figured all my SS friends who have missed this sensation should be tortured as well.
It's about a young girl who loves cereal, is apparently quite stressed over the decision as to whether she should sit in the back seat or the front seat of a car, and loves informing her fans that the days of the week occur in a specific order.
Who the heck is she? Who knows.
This catchy little number may well be one of the signs of the apocalypse.
It is in moments like these when I pray for an 8 mile wide asteroid to hit this planet, and let a new species crawl out of the slime in about a million or so years...
We're coming up on the tragic 1 year anniversary of the legend, Ronnie James Dio's death on the 16th. Thought it would be apropos to post a great vid from 1 legend in honor of another.
RIP, Ronnie...we miss you!
Here's Jorn's awesome tribute to the Golden Throat of Rock n Roll!!!
Damn...you guys are killing me with this horseshit...
Two recommendations based on an analysis of your tastes. More doom than power/gothic metal but I think you might dig 'em. Even if you hate them, I'm confident I'll have hit the mark closer than anyone else has so far.
This is Sam Brown, 'With A Little Love', one of my faves from 1990. Her dad was Joe Brown, a singer in the sixties who knew the Beatles. She has a great voice and has released quite a few albums. Its unreal hearing this on the headphones of the Ipod - very different from watching it on tv 21 years ago...
Ok, this is Robbie Williams, 'Do You Mind', from 2009. Heard it on the radio the other day and couldn't work out who the hell it was! Finally tracked it down on Youtube. The kids love it and its a good party song.
I've been listening to this new band a lot when exercising lately. Always puts a spring in my step. They're also in my Zombie Playground playlist for writing. Enjoy!
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Hair rock does not qualify as real rock. But nice try, Jeff, keep 'em coming
EDIT: By the way, your new found love, Mike Tramp (the lead singer from White Lion), is Danish and a couple of years ago he was on TV a lot doing this:
Down in the hole / Jesus tries to crack a smile / Beneath another shovel load
Rob, that's pretty frickin' cool, actually. Yes, I do enjoy me some ABBA every now and then, believe it or not.
But, Mr. Tramp is not my new found love. I've been a fan ever sine the very beginning, which was the official release of "Fight to Survive" in 1985. I remember this quite vividly, because I had to spend a weekend in the frickin' slammer, and of the 50+ items I brought with me, 1 of the 5 I was actually allowed to take in was a copy of Circus Magazine, and the cover story had to do with the long and arduous road White Lion had to travel to get their debut released. I've been a big fan ever since, including Tramp's solo career, as well as his current Mike Tramp and the Rock 'n' Roll Circuz band.
You know, something just hit me, Jeff. I know that you - in general - don't like formular writing, and by that I mean the rigid 3-act structure where all the plot points has to happen on a certain page, but you fucking adore formular music, don't you, ya big softie
Take hair rock for example, whether it be White Lion, Bon Jovi, Warrant, Def Leppard or any of the other gazillions of band with long hair and spandex, once you heard the opening key, you'd know exactly what the song was gonna sound like (including all the moans and groans), what the lyrics would be and how the solo was gonna play out.
Me, I'm actually opposite, I love formular writing but I can't stand formular music.
Go figure.
Down in the hole / Jesus tries to crack a smile / Beneath another shovel load
What I like in both music and writing is what works, what has talent and polish, and big hooks.
Although I do love music from the big 80's, you shouldn't pigeonhole me there, cause I rarely listen to it now. Most of the music I listen to nowadays is European melodic metal, or progressive metal. Much of it is very non standard in terms of structure, beat, tune, etc. It is not the kind of music you can easily even make out the tune on first listen.
But that's also the beauty of it...you can listen to it over and over and never get bored, while still hearing new things.
One of my favorites is Dutch born Arjen Anthony Lucassen, best known for his awesome band, Ayreon. Extremely complex structures and different tunes within each song. His more recent project, Guilt Machine, is also amazing.
In terms of being against structure in writing, it's really more that I'm against those that think writing must conform to classic structure, or any structure, actually. Point being, that a script that works, that shows talent, and has big hooks doesn't have to conform to any structure.
OK, ladies and gents, here you go...the first single off Edguy's amazing new release, Age of the Joker. The album track is almost 9 minutes long, so this is obviously the single edit version.
Quite Monty Pythonish, if you ask me. Looks like the boys had some fun shooting this one.
So without further ado, I present to you, "Robin Hood"! (Cheers!) (Hooray!) (Love it!) (Thanks, Jeff, you rock!)
The soon to released, new CD from Saracen, titled "Marilyn" - all about your girl, Marilyn Monroe. Pretty cool promo vid. I'll be picking this one up as soon as it's out.
The soon to released, new CD from Saracen, titled "Marilyn" - all about your girl, Marilyn Monroe. Pretty cool promo vid. I'll be picking this one up as soon as it's out.
Enjoy!
I don't usually knock other people's choice in music - though I loathe coldplay and all rap rubbish - but bro, this is just an updated version of the 80's cringe bands like Berlin, etc.
I know I can be harsh but when the greatest group in history is my yardstick, well, sheesh...
One of my favorite Stones songs - I've only recently 'rediscovered' it. It sometimes gets overlooked by the other songs on this top album. Keef's playing is brilliant.
I love trawling through Youtube, checking out home versions of great songs from all the top bands. This is one of my favorite Beatle tracks, and shows the precision drumming that Ringo brought to the table.
Underrated, even mocked for many years, Ringo is now recognised by drummers around the world, both amateurs and pros, as the Grandfather of modern rock drumming. His timing was impeccable.
Sorry, Stevie, but Ringo was not a great drummer by any means. Serviceable? Sure. Cool guy? Definitely. But great drummer? No way, bro.
Obviously you don't know any drummers. Or read stuff on the Internet. You'd be surprised at the high regard he's held in AS A DRUMMER! Major music magazines consider him influential, bro, not just this little black Aussie duck.
Obviously you don't know any drummers. Or read stuff on the Internet. You'd be surprised at the high regard he's held in AS A DRUMMER! Major music magazines consider him influential, bro, not just this little black Aussie duck.
Oh, contrare, mon frere. I do know drummers...very well actually.
Sure, any time a musician has the success that Ringo has had, just by default, "experts" will throw his name out as an influential and talented drummer, but in reality, he pales in comparison to so many "modern" drummers. Put him behind a big drum set and he wouldn't even know where to begin.
Don't get me wrong, I definitely like the guy, but his drum rhythms are as simple as they come. Compare his work to Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, Nicko McBain, Carmine or Vinny Appice, Tommy Lee, Scott Rockenfield, Uli Kusch...damn...I could go on and on...
C'mon, man...listen to his stuff and then anything by any one of these guys...no comparison.
I think you would find all those guys would cite Ringo as an influence.
Would Ringo have stayed in the Beatles, if a strong willed bastard like John didn't think ge was up to scratch? Would he and Macca have let their songs be ruined by an inept drummer?
Of course not! Ringo's technique and style is a big part of the success of the Beatle catalogue. And his timing is legendary amongst drum connoisseurs.
Remember that back in the sixties, a lot of the drum tracks were virtually 'live' in the studio. They didn't have the luxury of nowadays, where drummers can just edit their best strikes.
I'm gonna lay my ass on the line here and say I'm gonna have to agree with Jeff on this one.
Drumming's hard and the prospect of me being able to do it is near inconceivable so props to him being able to do it. And while not one of my favorite bands in the world, The Beatles are among the greatest and most influential bands in history.
But I've never heard Ringo do much else than keep pace. Granted that doing so is probably difficult in its own right but I don't listen to The Beatles and hear any technical prowess, uniqueness or even playfulness. Very formal and straightforward, frankly. Seems like he'd only appeal to drummers as they can actually tell what he's doing.
I don't see much merit in music magazines either. Rolling Stone is amongst the biggest and they'd probably put Nirvana as #1 on their 100 Greatest Hip-Hop Artists of All Time list, if they had one.
That said, I'm open to hearing you prove me wrong, Stevie.
BTW, Jeff, you're going to have to recommend me some Rush songs that actually have some genuine technical/progressive flair. I've been trying to get into them for a while but every song I hear just sounds like straightforward classic rock and has none of the technical edge that people build them up to have. Same goes for King Crimson. I've come to conclusion that I haven't heard the right songs from either of them.
When I mentioned the magazines I meant quotes I've read on the net, from well known drummers talking about Ringo.
Believe me, this was all new to me till about 5 years ago. In the last decade there has been a greater appreciation of Ringo. YouTube is filled with covers of his drumming, and some very talented drummers are still trying to replicate certain fills he used.
A large part of his success was the fact he was a left handed drummer playing a right hand kit. So he did things differently and thus created a unique style.
I'm not merely arguing his case because of my obvious Beatle bias; over the years I have studied all the comments made about him, and find it all fascinating.
Just Google 'Ringo's drumming influence' or something and you should find some very famous drummers espousing his skill.
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James, I'll throw you some amazing RUSH songs...there are so many...not much in "recent" years, but if you go back into the late 70's/early 80's/even early 90's, you'll hear the "Professor" jam like no other ever has.
And for you, Stevie, my Aussie fiend, here's a nice vid of Nicko tattooing his monster rack, and the entire vid is on him. Classic track - The Trooper, recorded from their also classic Live in Rio tour (I think).
In all seriousness, check this dude out, and think about what Ringo would/could do if he had to play like this...or eve close to it.
That Ghost version of HCTS sounds cool! Not that heavy metal either as the singer has an ok voice!
Um, with Ticket, I think John meant cos there were very few chord changes in it in the verses; it was like this relentless beat that hadn't been done before. The sort of 'droning' that HM became in the seventies I guess.
The cover isn't a heavy metal version of the Beatles song but Ghost is a heavy metal band. They just have more throwback influences and don't scream or use harsh vocals of any kind. They've even been compared to Blue Oyster Cult. The lyrics are 100% metal through. They almost seem out of place once you realize what they're saying. I think that's part of the fun of the band.
Members of Ghost (including the singer) are also in a death metal band called Repugnant.
As for Lennon's comment, I suppose at the time it would've made more sense. Either way, it's not particularly bothersome and indeed, I think the song came from an interesting transitional period for The Beatles. So fair enough. Honestly, I get much more irritated when people make a case for Alice Cooper or Led Zeppelin being metal. I'll concede that Led Zeppelin were a pioneer of heavier music in general but only people who don't listen to metal actually cite them as influential to the genre.
Rather tuneless song bro. I see no reason why Ringo couldn't play that if he wanted to.
Incidentally, 'Ticket To Ride' (1965) was claimed by John to be the first heavy metal song. Ringo's drumming on it gave it a unique sound.
Tuneless? The Trooper? The Trooper, tuneless? WTF? Funny thing is that the majority of Maiden's earlier work, when listened to for the first time, is tough to pick up the tune. But, trust me, bro, it's extremely "tuny", and one of those anthems that you can't help but sing along, or at least hum along..once you know it, that is.
I'm also surprised you can't even throw Nicko some props for the drumming here. His speed, and intricate rhythm is amazing. He's a true master on the hats. And maybe best of all is his stamina. There are numerous Maiden songs that run north of 7 minutes, but even 5 straight minutes of relentless drum work is more than taxing on the human body. In concert, this guy just keeps going and going, kinda like the Energizer Bunny - and let's not forget that Nicko is 59 years young, and at the tender age of 13, was already playing Beatles cover tunes - with ease, I might add.
Just to throw my two cents in on the great Starr debate. I only really started listening to the Beatles over the last couple of years because they were the band my parents listened to when I was growing up, so they were too "old." But, listening to their catalog of music now, the overall influence on rock was immeasurable, and Ringo's drumming was definitely part of that. I think the fact that he never played with any speed and also the fact that he was always regarded as the "clown" of the group kind of made people look down on his drumming. It didn't help when Lennon joked once that "Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles." But Stevie's right about Ringo's influence on modern drummers. Nicko McBrain, Dave Grohl, and Mike Portnoy have all said Starr's style influenced them. Ringo's timing and fills were deceptively complex, if you believe many of these modern drummers who cite Ringo as an influence. Listen to the fills on "A Day in the Life" and the "Golden Slumbers-Carry the Weight" medley that ends the White Album. I've read that many drummers regard those examples as extraordinarily difficult to replicate the timing on.
As for "The Trooper", guess you're not a metal head, Stevie. That's one of the greatest metal songs ever. But "Ticket to Ride" the first metal song? I don't think so. You could definitely make an argument for "Helter Skelter", though.
James, for Rush songs that display Peart's abilities, listen to "La Villa Strangiato" and "YYZ."
Finally, I knew that that cover of the Ghost album looked kinda familiar:
Yes, McBrain was playing Beatles covers as a kid...a 13-14 year old kid.
Is/was Ringo an influence to many modern, great drummers? Sure, but that doesn't mean much in terms of his overall talent, compared to ultra talented, speedy drummers.
But then again, any "Pro" who has played his entire life, be it drums, bass, or guitar, is obviously very talented. People look down on various Pros and say they suck, when the reality is far from that.
Ryan, I'm impressed with your metal knowledge...didn't realize you were a fan.
But getting back to Starr, I guess the question comes up of what constitutes "greatness." Is it raw technical prowess, or groundbreaking influence on future generations or a combination of both? Here are McBrain's own thoughts on Starr, where he readily admits Ringo's talent was superb.
I'm sure McBrain and a bunch of other 13 year kids could ape Ringo's style, but could they actually compose those beats and perfect that timing? I don't think so.
Jeff, those Beatle covers that Nicko played were proably thier early stuff, which isn't complex drumming at all.
It wasn't until 'Revolver' in 1966 that Ringo's drums became more part of the sound. And it helped that the engineers at Abbey Road starting experimenting with new techniques for recording.
No one had ever miked a drum close to the kit before Geoff Emerick did it to Ringo.
Ringo's timing has been mentioned as unbelievable. The short drum solo on Abbey Road was looped for hours and set against a metronome - it never strayed at all.
I read last night an interesting comment from a drummer - if you isolate ringo's drums on nearly every Beatle song, you can still tell what the song is. A very telling fact.
Ok, a lot of the classic rock songs you could pick by that too - well, I could, as I have a huge mind database of songs, trivia,etc - but that's still a fair effort.
John Lennon once said his 3 three favorite drummers were Ringo, Moonie and Bonzo.
Right on guys. Interesting pull on that article, Ryan.
You know...seriously...I don't like repeating myself over and over and being an ass. I'm not a drummer, but my best bro, that I actually grew up with, was. We'd jam alot. He actually taught me quite a bit on the drum kit.
Here's what I'm going to say and I'll leave it at this.
Drumming on its own and by itself isn't "easy" for everyone by any means. The more drums, cymbals, etc. you add, the harder it gets. The faster and more intricate the song/beat,. again, the harder it gets.
I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt Ringo ever even played a double bass kick. I also highly doubt he ever had a drum kit that totaled over 7 heads and 5 cymbals.
My point is simple...you can look back on anything "successful" and in no way can you deny the talent involved...at least in some way, be it football, baseball, boxing, or music. But when it comes time to really look at what each individual was doing and how it stacks up against others, IMO, it's pretty clear where the real talent is.
For instance, I was flipping channels around last night while watching the game and settled on the Country Music Awards. Alabama was playing, after winning their 1 Millionth award. They're country royalty. Their all mega millionaires. They're all 40+ year Pros who can play music in their sleep. But...are any of them amazing musicians? Does the lead singer have a great voice? Does it matter? No...it doesn't.
What's that supposed to mean! Even though I don't know a word of what their saying I still enjoy it.
And my taste... Well, I can't really help it but I like to try out different things and came across this while watching Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.
I don't know why but I haven't been able to get rid of this for the past three days. I figured once I knew where it would go in a story of mine, it'd go away (as songs usually do) but it hasn't. The worst part is I hated Flashdance...
I tend to keep up with new music... Because it helps me "assign" songs to script playlists. But when you go back and page on rewrite a script, I always want "new" songs.
I'm doing a page one rewrite on Clone Wife for a feature producer... And Passion Pit's new album came along at the right time. This song, musically and lyrically, is really helping me through the new pages.
"It's Not My Fault, I'm Happy" fits that script's sensibilities perfectly for me...
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Mark. Tremonti. Is. God. Period. Exclamation point. Times two.
Just ran into him yesterday at the Southern Park Mall here in Youngstown. I was eating lunch with a friend (a drummer who I'm starting to work on a project with), and Tremonti came out of Vitamin World and approached us to say hi to Bill, my drummer. Bill used to tour with a band and I guess he had hung out with Tremonti before.
Seems like a nice guy.
I love Creed's first album, and I love the music on the second album, although I kind of tuned out because it seemed they were getting too pop-py with their lyrics, but I've always had respect for their guitars.
Haven't heard much of Tremonti's new stuff, besides what you posted. Very Alice in Chains-y, but again, the guitar sounds awesome. Hopefully I can get off work tomorrow to go see the performance.
Just ran into him yesterday at the Southern Park Mall here in Youngstown. I was eating lunch with a friend (a drummer who I'm starting to work on a project with), and Tremonti came out of Vitamin World and approached us to say hi to Bill, my drummer. Bill used to tour with a band and I guess he had hung out with Tremonti before.
Seems like a nice guy.
I love Creed's first album, and I love the music on the second album, although I kind of tuned out because it seemed they were getting too pop-py with their lyrics, but I've always had respect for their guitars.
Haven't heard much of Tremonti's new stuff, besides what you posted. Very Alice in Chains-y, but again, the guitar sounds awesome. Hopefully I can get off work tomorrow to go see the performance.
Damn, Mark, you lucky muther...Never saw Creed live but I've seen him twice with Alter Bridge (much better than Creed), but he's coming to Copenhagen next month so I'm definitely there!
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Right now I have two songs that I pretty much listen to on repeat. They've become favorites of mine to write to. They both have unique vibes that really make my creativity flow.
The Weeknd - Wicked Games Kid Cudi - No one Believes Me
Kick ass first single from the soon to be released Straight out of Hell.
Give it a chance. The tune totally changes later on ion the song and becomes much more melodic. Actually, as with most Helloween, the more you listen, the more accessible it becomes.
I'm not familiar with the band you mentioned, John, but I'm not a death metal guy. I mostly listen to Eastern European melodic metal. Also like power metal, symphonic metal, operatic metal, and progressive metal. Combine them all, and I'm a happy guy.
They're actually not a death metal band. It's kind of poking fun at the genre actually. They're a rockability band. That song is actually in a budweiser commercial I think.
The Haunted is another good band. Everyone except the singer is from Poland I think. A lot of melody with some sweet sounding guitars. The Guilt Trip is an album I constantly listen through.