It was more of a contract script than a spec, so...

You're unquestionably correct, though, Jeff.

As a SPEC script? FAIL.

As a director shaking a few friend-of-a-friend trees for a screenplay job? Aronofsky took this and ran with it.

Nina is flatline and dull? I think in order to have a film be claustrophobic and insane it can only focus on her. The more the other characters are delved into, the less claustrophobic the film would be....and no, still haven't seen the film...  

Right on.

Ray, we(I) need more Ray'isms and your comments in general, as well.

We had all these votes, and as I figured, very little discussion going on, with only a few peeps providing it.

I'll back out...few have even commented on my comments, so, I'll fade back into the "wings", so to speak.

But, I really wish we could get some more discussion going here.

Sorry, please don't ban me for that, Michael Cornetto.

Pia, you're right...it is very claustrophobic, and that's why it's so small.  No?

Jeff, it's probably my fault. I'm supposed to be "guiding" this discussion along, but I had some stuff came up that has to take front seat for me. Besides I was sick for 3 days last week. I had a plan for how I was going to conduct the discussion, but too many posts were made while I was sick and I lost track of what everyone had said.

The film is supposed to be claustrophobic. The script at least make that work.

I asked you about Rear Window, it's a GREAT classic where most of it takes place in one apartment. Did it feel small? No. I don't know what you mean with small anyway. Do you need lots of locations, lots of characters and a lot of  views of the sky? A good story, wether in book form or film just needs to have a lot of conflict. It can even take place inside a coffin...

Of course, Pia.  Scripts or films can take place in a coffin, a single room, a cave, a castle, or a bar.  BUT, if it does decide to take place in those confines, how can you say it's not a small film?  Or concept?

IMO, it's pretty fucking obvious when we have a big concept and film and a small concept and film.

I understadn no on else seems to understand this and/or agree with me, but I must be obviously missing something that I don't see.

Help me...enlighten me...make me see this light.  I'm serious, too. I don't understand and it's frustrating.

I think we might have different ideas of what small is.  IMHO, it means, small uneventful forgettable.

In your case, I've seen you make that comment several times about films and like it's a bad thing, but what is wrong with a film that takes place in one location with few characters. If done well, I think it's awesome. I guess the smaller the space that the film takes place in, the deeper into the characters we have to dig and the "bigger" the film, the shallower it can be?   Where's Rick when you need him???

Quoted from Dreamscale Of course, Pia.  Scripts or films can take place in a coffin, a single room, a cave, a castle, or a bar.  BUT, if it does decide to take place in those confines, how can you say it's not a small film?  Or concept? IMO, it's pretty fucking obvious when we have a big concept and film and a small concept and film. I understadn no on else seems to understand this and/or agree with me, but I must be obviously missing something that I don't see. Help me...enlighten me...make me see this light.  I'm serious, too. I don't understand and it's frustrating.

I think that people are misreading the word "small" and taking it in a negative light. The enclosed spaces they utilized to entertain the universal theme and scope of Swan Lake is reminiscent of live theatre. Small does not equal bad.

Sandra

"Nah, he's not a bad guy, just a cliche guy in power, who uses that power to be with the girls he promotes.."

  I think that he is a jerk.

Oh.. do you guys think that Lily did go back and have sex with Nina after she got her fucked up?  I do.  I don't think Nina imagined that, and I also think that you are right, she took her out on purpose the night before her big day so she could go there hereself.  It worked.

We do seem to have a different idea of what the word "small" means in terms of a script, concept, and film.

And, once again, Sandra, you are SPOT ON with what you said.  "Small" is not necessarily a bad thing, but peeps seem to jump up and think I'm saying something I'm not.

"Small" can be good...I absolutely love some small films.

I'm just saying...Rick and other peeps are saying how "deep" and "big" this is, and I just can't see it.  I'm sorry for that.  Don't hold it against me.

What do you guys and gals feel about the # of "oh so sad and lonely" orphans and  wrylies?  You think it doesn't matter or come into play at all?  Just wondering.

And, BTW, you're not doing a bad job here, Pia.  I know you're busy and you jumped in and took control of this...that's cool and we love you for it...

...

BUT...

You need to watch the movie...ASAP!!!!

Quoted from dmc2011 "Nah, he's not a bad guy, just a cliche guy in power, who uses that power to be with the girls he promotes.."   I think that he is a jerk. Oh.. do you guys think that Lily did go back and have sex with Nina after she got her fucked up?  I do.  I don't think Nina imagined that, and I also think that you are right, she took her out on purpose the night before her big day so she could go there hereself.  It worked.

Dmc, now's the time that we should take a poll, perhaps?

Do you think that Lilly was a complete manifestation existing only in Nina's mind?

Or:

Do you think that Lilly was real?

I don't think she was real.

I also think that Beth did not really stab herself with that nail file repeatedly in her face.

Sandra

Hey DMC...good questions.

It's hard to say what they were after with Lily, as the script and the film ar5e very different in that regard.

I feel Lily was a "real" person for sure, but in the script, it's hard to tell.  If she wasn't, I'm upset as I hate that "it was all a dream or in that person's head" shit!!

I agree that Lily went downtown with Nina, and I think Nina frickin' loved it.  So, that means that I also think Lily did it more for the purpose of fuckin' wit poor, little, innocent Nina.

Doesn't make her a bad person (Lily, that is) IMO..

LOL.. blue, I think so too!  She was mettin wit her!  

Blue I have read your every comment, don't go anywhere.  I think you have a deeper undstanding of film than I do and I am not sure how to comment yet.

This is my first go round here at simplyscripts.    But please keep posting, I am learning from you.  From you all!

I am not sure how I feel about wrylies.  I get confused when I read scripts because they are never EVER like they are supposed to be, because I don't think they are the spec, I think most are production or shooting, but none ever stick to the books.  
And that is not a bad thing, they read so much easier.  But sometimes the Direction is a little over the top and yes, CHEAT!!!

Sandra a polll would be fun!

Oh.. and yeah, the stabbing with the file thing was phycotic moment for Nina for sure!