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In the liberal's mind they're already perfect and everybody else (Society) just has to get up to their level. With this level of arrogance and lack of humility, well, it's on full display in most films today.



Whenever I spend time in North Carolina (we have family there), I always run into the saying... "They think they're better than us." "They" is whoever they're talking about. Could be neighbors. Restaurant workers, I've seen it used on a bunch of different people.

It always cracks me up. Because, what's left unsaid is the second part... "But they're not. We're better than them."

And, that's why I always regret getting sucked into these threads. As you say... it's just so depressing. So, I too, am out.

Back to writing some fun scripts.


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Whenever I spend time in North Carolina (we have family there), I always run into the saying... "They think they're better than us." "They" is whoever they're talking about. Could be neighbors. Restaurant workers, I've seen it used on a bunch of different people.

It always cracks me up. Because, what's left unsaid is the second part... "But they're not. We're better than them."

And, that's why I always regret getting sucked into these threads. As you say... it's just so depressing. So, I too, am out.

Back to writing some fun scripts.


Absolutely.


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Two things.

I am talking about story and films, not boycotting the NFL. Players are free to kneel, the NFL is free to show it, and the fans are free to tune out.  

If tuning out is cancel culture? Then I guess they put a quarter in their ass and played themselves.

I have no problem if a black man is genuinely cast as Captain America, UNLESS, it's just a vehicle to tell white people how shitty they are and to push an agenda. That's where the awfulness creeps in. I'm not going to pretend to like it.

They could just make good films, again! Which is where all of this should come back to. They seem (Hollywood) so hellbent on pushing these agenda vehicles with the purpose to divide us rather than make great films again. It's all so strange.


I wouldnít say, and I could be wrong, that Hollywood is trying to divide us. Leave that shit to the politicians - theyíre experts at it. Hollywood is driven by money. How many times have we seen the old trope of a movie about a producer funding a film, but the catch is he wants his lover in the starring role?

I think itís something along those lines. And itís driven by money. But still, if it makes money and everyone gets rich, thatís great. Youíll see more. If not, itíll dry up right quick.

Cancel culture and work are buzz words. Theyíre being bandied about and handed out like candy, and people are jumping on the bandwagon. You would hear barely a peep about this nonsense if it werenít for Twitter and YouTube. You know, because thatís where a lot of people go to get their information from or to watch videos posted by someone trying to get enough followers so they can start charging for their content. Divisive means views. Views mean money. Money means more money, and round and round she goes.

Basically, someone is looking to appease someone. And theyíll do it gladly if it means their brand stays relevant and profitable.

Land OíLakes and Uncle Bens and Aunt Jemima? Knee jerk reactions to save the brand in this brave new world. If you offend people, it means less money. Thatís bad. And itís disguised as caring and sympathetic to the cause. Thatís, of course, if black people were really that offended by Aunt Jemima in the first place.

So, Hollywood? Money. Uncle Bens? Money.

Politicians? Votes. Sorry, I mean donations. Sorry again... Money.




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Do you trust the side that apologizes often or the side that never apologizes?
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Do you trust the side that apologizes often or the side that never apologizes?


Both sound bad to me.


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Do you trust the side which renames or the side that ends renaming?
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Do you trust the side which renames or the side that ends renaming?


I donít trust anyone. Not completely.


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The apologist is cloying; the non-apologist is deadly. It's important to keep that perspective when fretting over woke culture.
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Iím not really fretting. I try and keep it in some sort of perspective that makes sense to me. That said, cloying is better than deadly, if thatís how you want to view it, so thereís that.

At the end of the day, I have only myself and my family to be responsible for. I have views and opinions and maybe if there was a way to make money from them, I would. Still, I wouldnít expect anyone to get up in arms over what I think, nor would I want or expect them to.

As a writer, I have an outlet. So do all of us. I write because it feels good. I want people to be entertained by what I write. I donít necessarily want to divide or polarize with that.

Maybe foolishly, Iíve always held to the belief that everything will work itself out.


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Two things.

I am talking about story and films, not boycotting the NFL. Players are free to kneel, the NFL is free to show it, and the fans are free to tune out.  

If tuning out is cancel culture? Then I guess they put a quarter in their ass and played themselves.

I have no problem if a black man is genuinely cast as Captain America, UNLESS, it's just a vehicle to tell white people how shitty they are and to push an agenda. That's where the awfulness creeps in. I'm not going to pretend to like it.

They could just make good films, again! Which is where all of this should come back to. They seem (Hollywood) so hellbent on pushing these agenda vehicles with the purpose to divide us rather than make great films again. It's all so strange.


The NFL example and the Movie example are completely analogous.  Take this statement:

Players are free to kneel, the NFL is free to show it, and the fans are free to tune out.  

And replace it with - Movie producers are free to make woke movies, theaters are free to show them and the fans are free to tune out.  

The they could make good films again is such nonsense. They make tons of good films - I know you don't need a list. You know they are there. And yes - they make some woke crap. In your words - you have a right to tune out the woke crap.  For me, if I have to suffer through a few bad films to get confederate flags taken down - it's a decent trade-off. In neither case is it the armageddon click-baiting junkies like this Youtube gal would have you believe it is.

Whether it is the Ben Shapiro's on the right or the Olberman's on the left - their only desire is to make a whole lot of effing money off riling up the tribes.  




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Movie producers are free to make woke movies, theaters are free to show them and the fans are free to tune out.

Which is kind of what the OP was about. People are tuning out. The other point made in the video was not that people tune out because of wokeness, but rather they are not doing it the right way. They are shoehorning in these ideas where they feel forced. People, women and men both,  love to watch a female hero. Then why did Black Christmas and Ghostbusters fail? Because they didn't EARN it. Which is why my first post in this thread mentioned, Clarice Starling, Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor and QT's amazing The Bride. They earned our "worship". They struggled and rose to the challenges. Same reason we love Rocky. In a Disney movie, Rocky would have been born a prince and his skills would already be there, they would just need to be honed. Third point in the OP was that it's fine to be a feminist. Nothing wrong with it at all. It's to be preferred, IMO, but that doesn't mean women need to push men down at any given opportunity. That just makes you a crummy human, which is not desired by anyone.


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Which is kind of what the OP was about. People are tuning out. The other point made in the video was not that people tune out because of wokeness, but rather they are not doing it the right way. They are shoehorning in these ideas where they feel forced. People, women and men both,  love to watch a female hero. Then why did Black Christmas and Ghostbusters fail? Because they didn't EARN it. Which is why my first post in this thread mentioned, Clarice Starling, Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor and QT's amazing The Bride. They earned our "worship". They struggled and rose to the challenges. Same reason we love Rocky. In a Disney movie, Rocky would have been born a prince and his skills would already be there, they would just need to be honed. Third point in the OP was that it's fine to be a feminist. Nothing wrong with it at all. It's to be preferred, IMO, but that doesn't mean women need to push men down at any given opportunity. That just makes you a crummy human, which is not desired by anyone.


First and foremost - people are not tuning out. Total theater Box Office has been on a steady rise for decades. Add to that the emergence of Prime, Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, etc. etc. - people are watching more Hollywood content than at any other time in history. Theaters went in the tank due to Covid - not because of some displeasure with film-making. Viewership just shifted in medium used - not in total viewership. So the OP's starting premise is wrong - people are not tuning out.

AND - if they were (they're not) then it would be a sefl-correcting problem. As people tune out - those who produce films would adjust to make sure they continue to make $$$$$$.

And why do you believe the OP was not talking about wokeism???? The video is entitled: Everything wrong with Woke Culture (and the impact on feminism

Couldn't have Black Christmas and Ghostbusters failed simply because they were crap movies. Using GHostbusters as an example - it was unoriginal (we already had seen these gags) and poorly executed. AND - the thing was produced in 2016 (probably written a year or two before that) - when did the scourge of wokeness, or forced characters, or whatever term one uses to describe what destroyed the industry start?  Because if it was 2016 - there's a lot of explaining to do for the Box Office records experienced in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020.

Yeah - there are cringe-worthy woke moments in films - I don't dispute that. They will come and go. I dispute the sky is falling calminity the OP sells in h er Youtube clip.   AND - I get kind of turned off to things that are labeled like: EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH WOKE CULTURE - when they really mean - why did this movie suck.


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You sound angry, Dave.

I still believe what I believe. You are free to believe what you believe. For me personally, I started to tune out when CGI became a major part of film and re-boots became the norm.


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You sound angry, Dave.

I still believe what I believe. You are free to believe what you believe. For me personally, I started to tune out when CGI became a major part of film and re-boots became the norm.


Sorry if it came across that way. Certainly not angry at you. Although I will admit that videos like the one presented here do irk me

I agree that the over-reliance on CGI as a substitute for story and the constant reboots suck. At least for me personally. But... they are making ga-billions doing it. So I got to assume that it doesn't suck for their target market.




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People are watching it, for the same reason people drink diet soda. They gotta drink (or watch) something! haha.

I go over to YouTube, and I see throngs of people still watching and paying for these movies but hating them. It isn't just me. I thought it might be. I feel bad for people younger than me, desperately searching for the great films we had growing up - instead, they get another shitty Star Wars.

It's kind of the same with all entertainment - sports, films, have turned into a hostage situation. LOL - You can be entertained if you can endure our "good speak" with in it. LOL

The industry has access to the largest audience in world history via the streaming platforms. China has 1.8 billion people to our 328 million. (We spent 3.5 trillion on Covid, they spent 4.5 billion, but that's a different issue lol) and that's where I would imagine the surge in new viewers could be coming from. Those poor souls.

Ironically, I've been watching more Asian stuff to find some semblance of a story LOL

Pretty soon China going to invade if we don't stop sending our shit films over there haha


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