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Robert Timsah
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Imagine being a straight white male and somehow thinking that it is you who are disadvantaged and oppressed.


I'm neither straight, nor white.


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They want to SUBJECT people (men, especially) to a female superhero, because they get off on it.


Man. At a few hundred million a movie, that is one expensive kink.


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If somebody genuinely wants a black or female superhero, they could, oh I don't know - create an original one instead of stealing from evil whitey.



I'm sorry, but that's a really weird statement.

But, just to make sure I understand you...

Is Marvel casting a black man as Captain America stealing from evil whitey?


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I'm sorry, but that's a really weird statement.

But, just to make sure I understand you...

Is Marvel casting a black man as Captain America stealing from evil whitey?


If they're genuinely interested in crafting cool stories surrounding non-white or non-male voices, then do it with original stories.


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If they're genuinely interested in crafting cool stories surrounding non-white or non-male voices, then do it with original stories.


Why?


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Why?


It's a real curmudgeon, mate.

You see - "woke" is bad because it focuses on identity rather than quality or merit.

BUT.....

An otherwise qualified black man can't play Captain America because he has the wrong identity - and that is okay.

Now let's do cancel culture.

If you want to get rid of racist Asian stereotypes in a Dr. Suess book - that is cancel culture.

If you want people to boycott the NFL because players kneeled during the National Anthem - that is patriotism.

Seems simple






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It's a real curmudgeon, mate.

You see - "woke" is bad because it focuses on identity rather than quality or merit.

BUT.....

An otherwise qualified black man can't play Captain America because he has the wrong identity - and that is okay.

Now let's do cancel culture.

If you want to get rid of racist Asian stereotypes in a Dr. Suess book - that is cancel culture.

If you want people to boycott the NFL because players kneeled during the National Anthem - that is patriotism.

Seems simple






Yep. Cancel culture is just fine, as long as they're the ones doing the canceling. Once other people get that power... oh, hell no.

(Of course, this doesn't apply to everyone concerned about wokeness and cancel culture. There are legitimate concerns. But, it applies to most pushing the issue the hardest.)


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I've got no problem with a black man playing a typically white role. I think Idris Elba would be a great James Bond.


An example of my writing...

FOR SATAN - short, horror, 14 pgs (revised draft) - A group of thrill-seekers explore a creepy old house on Halloween night. Think you know this story? Think again.
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Why?


Have you ever taken it upon yourself to re-write a classic screenplay where your ONLY purpose was to change the gender or race of the main characters? I doubt it! and I doubt anyone here has because that would be insane.

Should we have an all female version of Die Hard?

Hey, how about a all-trans version of Pulp Fiction?

I mean, why stop at superheroes? Why not really go for it? An all white version of ROOTS. LMAO

Stealing traditionally white or male characters, with the soul objective being to retrofitting them with your favored minority, is something that is utterly foreign to me as a writer.

This is why it feels like these projects are more about subjecting the audience to something, rather than writing something to share with the audience. They have no desire to share with an audience, whom they loathe.

Perhaps, we just disagree. That's fine. I'm prickly. But I will say, I'm hardly alone. YouTube is FILLED with people repeating these same or similar complaints in everything from flipping NASCAR! to the NBA, to the Oscars, to Late Night to SNL.

Remember when SNL used to be funny? Remember when Late Night was funny? Remember when the Oscars mattered? Remember when people loved the NBA? Remember when the movies were good?

Ugh, this is all so depressing.


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I've got no problem with a black man playing a typically white role. I think Idris Elba would be a great James Bond.


I wouldn't either, as long as he actually fits the role which I think he would. Hilariously, the writer did not think so.


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But Anthony Hororwitz, who authored 14 Bond novels, felt differently about the potential casting and described the actor (Elba) as “too street” for the role.


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It's when they embark on a trans Bond that the fireworks really begin.


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Have you ever taken it upon yourself to re-write a classic screenplay where your ONLY purpose was to change the gender or race of the main characters? I doubt it! and I doubt anyone here has because that would be insane.

Should we have an all female version of Die Hard?

Hey, how about a all-trans version of Pulp Fiction?

I mean, why stop at superheroes? Why not really go for it? An all white version of ROOTS. LMAO

Stealing traditionally white or male characters, with the soul objective being to retrofitting them with your favored minority, is something that is utterly foreign to me as a writer.

This is why it feels like these projects are more about subjecting the audience to something, rather than writing something to share with the audience. They have no desire to share with an audience, whom they loathe.

Perhaps, we just disagree. That's fine. I'm prickly. But I will say, I'm hardly alone. YouTube is FILLED with people repeating these same or similar complaints in everything from flipping NASCAR! to the NBA, to the Oscars, to Late Night to SNL.

Remember when SNL used to be funny? Remember when Late Night was funny? Remember when the Oscars mattered? Remember when people loved the NBA? Remember when the movies were good?

Ugh, this is all so depressing.



Rewriting traditional/classic characters in new and exciting ways would absolutely fire me up as a writer. How many times has Alice in Wonderland been re-imagined? Romeo and Juliet. Hell, look at the marvel that is Hamilton. What a fantastic piece of art that is.

I thought the idea of an all-female Ghostbusters was genius. Turns out the execution was horrible. But, when I first heard the idea, I nearly jumped out of my chair.

Of course, I'm not sure why we're suddenly talking about re-writing classic versions of stuff. We started off talking about superhero movies. Hardly Roots.

So... back to comic book movies...

I see absolutely no reason to use the word "stealing" when talking about casting a black Captain America.

Who is Marvel stealing from?


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I wouldn't either, as long as he actually fits the role which I think he would. Hilariously, the writer did not think so.



https://www.express.co.uk/ente.....bc-music-film-uk-spt

It's when they embark on a trans Bond that the fireworks really begin.


Too street? Idris Elba? Uh, ok. That shows you can't always trust the writer to make a good casting decision.


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It's a real curmudgeon, mate.

You see - "woke" is bad because it focuses on identity rather than quality or merit.

BUT.....

An otherwise qualified black man can't play Captain America because he has the wrong identity - and that is okay.

Now let's do cancel culture.

If you want to get rid of racist Asian stereotypes in a Dr. Suess book - that is cancel culture.

If you want people to boycott the NFL because players kneeled during the National Anthem - that is patriotism.

Seems simple



Two things.

I am talking about story and films, not boycotting the NFL. Players are free to kneel, the NFL is free to show it, and the fans are free to tune out.  

If tuning out is cancel culture? Then I guess they put a quarter in their ass and played themselves.

I have no problem if a black man is genuinely cast as Captain America, UNLESS, it's just a vehicle to tell white people how shitty they are and to push an agenda. That's where the awfulness creeps in. I'm not going to pretend to like it.

They could just make good films, again! Which is where all of this should come back to. They seem (Hollywood) so hellbent on pushing these agenda vehicles with the purpose to divide us rather than make great films again. It's all so strange.


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Rewriting traditional/classic characters in new and exciting ways would absolutely fire me up as a writer. How many times has Alice in Wonderland been re-imagined? Romeo and Juliet. Hell, look at the marvel that is Hamilton. What a fantastic piece of art that is.

I thought the idea of an all-female Ghostbusters was genius. Turns out the execution was horrible. But, when I first heard the idea, I nearly jumped out of my chair.

Of course, I'm not sure why we're suddenly talking about re-writing classic versions of stuff. We started off talking about superhero movies. Hardly Roots.

So... back to comic book movies...

I see absolutely no reason to use the word "stealing" when talking about casting a black Captain America.

Who is Marvel stealing from?


It's all about motive, I suppose. What is their motive in changing the gender/race? If you start there you get at the crux of the issue.

You're right, a female Ghostbusters COULD be good but then we run into a new problem - the very people who come up with these gender-replacement concepts, can't write good story for shit.

In the liberal's mind they're already perfect and everybody else (Society) just has to get up to their level. With this level of arrogance and lack of humility, well, it's on full display in most films today.

If Woke doesn't kill it, the emotionally stilted liberalism, will. The video Andrew posted, what seems like eons ago, talked about this quite well imo.

Okay, I'm tired of talking about this. It's depressing.


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SNL's Writers' Room (Short, Comedy, Coming Soon lol)

Saturday Night Live writers work on an upcoming skit, only to be sabotaged by a writer within the group who keeps trying to make it actually funny.


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