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Fully endorsed.

Harder for people to pushback on reality when it doesn't come from a white, straight man.

Super smart take.



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Maybe why Ripley, The Bride, Sara Connor and Clarice Starling are my favorite female heroes.

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Maybe why Ripley, The Bride, Sara Connor and Clarice Starling are my favorite female heroes.

Thanks for posting!  


You're welcome

And those are proper empowering figures and great characters.


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Isnít making a video like this, expressing your disdain for this feminine wokeism, also a form of wokeness? In these cyber times, everything this woman speaks of will no doubt be forgotten and we will have moved on. But, I better make a video about it while the ironís hot. Personally, I think itís just a phase. Like in the seventies we had big disaster movies ó Airport, Towering Inferno, etc. Then they fell off. The ticket sales will no doubt provide the answer.


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The ticket sales will no doubt provide the answer.

I think that's what she said.


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I think that's what she said.


Oh okay. I didnít get that far in the video.


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Nailed it! Thanks for sharing, Andrew.


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HERE COMES THE BOGEYMAN - horror, 24 pgs
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Nailed it! Thanks for sharing, Andrew.


You're welcome

She did a great job of disentangling the geniune criticism from how that criticism is portrayed by those who push this shit.


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Yeah... didn't land that much for me...

Wokeness overdone is damaging arrogance. Underdone it's ignorance. Obviously, when first emerging it went overboard (and still is) - but like all pendulums do - it'll find a nice balance by the time we're done wringing our hands.  And in my view, those enraged by the Dr. Suess and Mr. Potato Head changes (it's the end of the world!!) are as off the mark as those that are woke.

Now on to Wonder Woman - odd that this was emblematic of how women should be portrayed for this blogger. I remember when I saw the film  - I thought - WTF, REALLY!!! They're going with that same skimpy, non-battle. Linda Carter style costume that they went with. Right, a woman warrior would naturally design a costume with exposed shoulders and thighs. Cause -- ya, know. It's woman.  Good thing when we went back to her origin they were all pretty much clad the same too - you know. cause that explains it.  Women living and fighting in the elements all universally decided to wear skimpy clothes.

I had these thoughts before "wokeness".  I thought, man - if a woman wrote that film from scratch, would Wonder Woman and her tribe essentially be clad in military grade swimsuits. And I thought - no effing way.  I kind of think if the first WW was made today - you would see that costume go. In my mind - that would be a victory for wokeness. And - of course there would be a lot of stupid things added because of wokeness. Point being - it ain't all bad and it ain't all good and it'll hit an acceptable balance.


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Without watching the video...

I think of wokeness and cancel culture the same way. If we hadn't missed so badly on the wrong side for so long, we wouldn't need wokeness and cancel culture today. So what if we miss by going too far for a while? We'll get it right eventually.

Seriously... women, blacks, LGBTQ etc. have been "cancelled" for hundreds of years. Too bad, so sad we go too far in correcting things now. When we hit 401 years of over-correction, we can talk about it. (As if blacks/women are treated equally even today.)

Like I said, we'll get it right eventually and be better for it. These are growing pains. Necessary.


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Without watching the video...

I think of wokeness and cancel culture the same way. If we hadn't missed so badly on the wrong side for so long, we wouldn't need wokeness and cancel culture today. So what if we miss by going too far for a while? We'll get it right eventually.

Seriously... women, blacks, LGBTQ etc. have been "cancelled" for hundreds of years. Too bad, so sad we go too far in correcting things now. When we hit 401 years of over-correction, we can talk about it. (As if blacks/women are treated equally even today.)

Like I said, we'll get it right eventually and be better for it. These are growing pains. Necessary.


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Without watching the video...

I think of wokeness and cancel culture the same way. If we hadn't missed so badly on the wrong side for so long, we wouldn't need wokeness and cancel culture today. So what if we miss by going too far for a while? We'll get it right eventually.

Seriously... women, blacks, LGBTQ etc. have been "cancelled" for hundreds of years. Too bad, so sad we go too far in correcting things now. When we hit 401 years of over-correction, we can talk about it. (As if blacks/women are treated equally even today.)

Like I said, we'll get it right eventually and be better for it. These are growing pains. Necessary.


This is a seriously complacent attitude extremely prevalent in left wing circles; as someone on the left, I see it constantly. It's borne of playing party politics and not wanting to give an inch to the right.

The problem isn't even Hollywood per se (it's merely a symptom), but a body of ideas derived from postmodern thinkers such as Focault and Derrida, where the fundamental tenets of knowledge production are being shifted from a liberal orientation to something very different. A simple application of these ideas is intersectionality / positionality. People need to wise up to what's happening. This isn't about equality in the traditional liberal understanding of the word.

The complacency of many who assume it's oscillation rather than retribution, and a shift to a new paradigm, is depressing.

Is this new paradigm (sometimes called 'successor ideology') - which expressly rejects liberalism (the philosophy rather than politial application) - assured of supplanting what we have? No. But these ideas have firm roots being applied as intended. They are utterly disastrous ideas sneaking through with many falsely assuming they're liberal ideas. Liberalism is a good trojan horse, because the natural connotation of 'liberal' is well meaning. It's false comfort. These ideas, which manifest in race essentialism, cancel culture, cultural appropriation, etc, are not remotely liberal.

There is a myopia formed in sticking rigidly to party politics. What's happening is much bigger than simple right and left posturing.

It's simply not acceptable to say you're fighting for equality and being comfortable with biased / unfair outcomes, because it's reversing what came before. That's not equality in spirit or practice. And it's certainly not liberal.


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Quoted from Andrew


It's simply not acceptable to say you're fighting for equality and being comfortable with biased / unfair outcomes, because it's reversing what came before. That's not equality in spirit or practice. And it's certainly not liberal.


This! Extremely well said. Not sure how anyone in their right mind could possibly disagree with this.


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HERE COMES THE BOGEYMAN - horror, 24 pgs
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It's all about degrees, mates.  Not sure why that point keeps getting missed.

I've seen no one here argue for wokeness as a paradigm of how things ought to be.  I've seen a lot of people. most recently Anthony, opine on where it ought to be on the list of things we get outraged about.

Look, I'm a liberal and I hate the term white privilege. Asides from the fact that there are a ton of broke-ass white folks , discrimination against one race does not result in privilege for another. I hate terms like communities of color.  Because, as James Carville said, I know lots of White and Black and brown people and they all live in ... neighborhoods. My wife is Mexican. She HATES LatinX as a term. I think white people can write black characters. I find the constant hedging of words and phrases tedious. etc. etc. etc. etc.

I just don't happen to think that it is any more than a temporary swing of the pendulum,. I don't think it is anything to panic about. And I do know that a good portion of the country that panics about wokeness don't give a shit about real issues like climate change, discrimination in the policing and justice systems, hungry children (insert whatever liberal causes you disdain here), etc.

It is not that wokeness is not dysfunctional. It is. But it's origin is certainly understandable given our traditional and longstanding neglect of real hefty issues (you know, like killing unarmed black people - shit like that).  I mean, Christ - it's only in the last few years gay people were allowed to marry! So - there is an over reaction because of a long standing under-reaction? Color me shocked.

Here's my prediction. In two years we won't be talking about wokeness. We'll forget it even existed. We will be talking about school shootings, racist police practices, poverty and how fucking hot it's getting.

AND - the Wonder Woman costume was sexist (I'll say it).


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But railing on wokeness, and cancel culture, with endless videos and tweets, does result in one thing...

Clicks.


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