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No offence JamminGirl, but I have just read your response to 'Down Under' where you quoted Lakewood's review in your own review and added this...
Not much more to say on that really.
I read down under before I made a comment and if u read my review, apart from agreeing with lakewood on that singular issue, I echoed no one. I liked that the writer went with a tv magazine POV but the 'kidman is crazy' beat was repeated.
No point coming back to me JamminGirl, I am not looking for a fight. My point was clear enough.
Despite what you may have read over the last few days we are not really here to be judging each others reviews, just let people get on with reviewing however they feel is best and we will all get along great and learn something from it.
I know I sound hypocritical on that but in my case I had a stone in my shoe that needed taking out, I have already apologized for doing that so publicly. I can understand that somebody new to the site might think this is the norm - but it is not.
Just review scripts in your own way and let people review in their way. As long as everybody can do this without being unreasonable and rude in what they say then we do not have a problem.
I remember the first one when less than a dozen people submitted and I think they were all very much regulars and not anonymous. We did enjoy it. But it was also new and no one knew what to expect from anyone else. Phil came up with a topic based on a contest he'd seen done in NY, and we all went with it. There were no joke entries, and I believe all (or most) put forth a solid effort.
Maybe everyone's gotten jaded with the whole process and think they can do it that much better. The thing is that this was never a complex exercise. It was always really simple in nature and just supposed to be a "see if you can do it" sort of thing. Now, there seems to be something to complain about. But like I said what seems like a long time ago in another thread, you are in no way obligated to participate or read or anything. I haven't always liked the topics that have been presented, and my response was to say nothing and not enter it if I didn't come up with anything.
This site is a group of people who enjoy writing. We read each others' work and comment on it. There's a lot you can learn from not only writing your own scripts, but reviewing others. You can see what that other person did differently, whether good or bad, and unlike watching movies where your comments mean nothing, here you can tell the author and they can potentially get something out of it.
Why say the same thing more than once? Well, think of it like a rejection. When rejections are sent, those who send them don't confer with anyone else in the industry. They send their own letters with their own (minimal) opinions, and the author can pile these letters together to see if there's a theme to them. The reviews should do basically the same thing.
Should you repeat what someone else said? Of course! If I don't see repetition in the comments, I figure person A had that opinion and no one else agreed so it's not worth changing. If several people write the same thing, I know there's something to it.
So take this whole challenge thing and any that follow (if they do, considering how negatively this one has spun) with a grain of salt. We're here to have fun and learn something, and if you don't feel that you can do that in this environment, then perhaps this isn't the right place for you. I have yet to sell a screenplay and I've written probably 60 of them from shorts to teleplays to feature lengths. I don't know it all, nor will I pretend to. I feel like I can still learn something, and I enjoy the comraderie of fellow writers who are struggling to make it as much as I am.
So let's stop attacking each other and actually get back to writing and reading and getting something out of this awesome site that Don continues to provide for us. At no charge to us, I might add, so I'm not complaining.
Please read THE RULES before you post. Trust me, it will make for a happier experience.
1. This discussion board is privately run for the discussion of screenwriting, movies, music and poetry. We reserve the right to: a. turn down any application to post for no apparent reason, b. kick anyone off for violating the rules of the board, c. kick anyone off for being a jerk (or jerkette as the case may be), d. kick anyone off for no apparent reason. 2. Be Civil 3. Do not be disrespectful of other members, do not put down other members of the board, do not attack or encourage other to attack a member of the board.
(...) 11. When reviewing a script, you should back up negative comments by citing evidence from that script about which the comment is being made. And never make a negative comment about a person.
In a nutshell. Be cool. Be respectful of everyone on the board. I reserve the right to ban anyone for not following the rules above OR for just being a jerk. I also reserve the right to ban anyone without a warning or explanation. It doesn't matter how much you have posted or whether or not you are a moderator (who thankfully have been pretty good about setting the example on the board).
So, If you have hang-ups about the rules, here and only here is your forum to complain.
So take this whole challenge thing and any that follow (if they do, considering how negatively this one has spun)
I, for one, hope that the challenges do continue. I understand that there's been some controversy going on, but I've enjoyed greatly some of the stories that have come out of this challenge so far. True, I didn't like a couple of them as well, but I've stated facts why I didn't like them. The ones that I have liked, I've really enjoyed and probably never would have gotten the chance to read them ever if Phil hadn't chosen this theme and genre.
I think these challenges are definately a good thing and a great exercise and great for this site. Imagine how many stories we might be robbed of if the challenges cease to continue. Imagine what experience we may lose ourselves by not pushing to meet a deadline or pushing an idea that's not ours into a new, creative way.
There's not any other sites you can do things like this on and get such a diverse multitude of comments.
What do you guys mean? This OWC hasnít been any fun?
I loved the variety of stories. Where else can I find scripts about talking squirrels, jizz on the mayo, Edmund the talking horseís ass, or someone getting his creativity off by giving us Hitlerís entry video? Nowhere for this admission price! The reviews of my story and others were mostly spot on or I could see their point if I squinted my eyes just so. The reviews were thoughtful, funny, annoying, one note, but so are scripts and most importantly us. Iíd like to have a drink with you guys if we could ever agree on a beer.
And Pollyanna moves over so the new guy can sit down.