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Mr. Blonde
Posted: June 14th, 2019, 11:34am Report to Moderator
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It should be so simple with a 0-5 scoring system.  But then, again, everyone needs to understand that throwing out 5's to half the entries doesn't help, and doesn't make sense.

Kev says over and over that it's very unlikely anyone here is going to put together a truly great script in 72 hours (or 3 or 4, as it usually turns out).  And he's right.  Some are much better than others, but none are perfect, and only a few are even good.  Scores of 5 should rarely be awarded, whether it's an overall score or a category score.

I mean, c'mon, let's face it and be honest....there are alot of very poor entries in round 2.  There's just no way around that, yet, we see the same peeps routinely, over and over gush out praise to scripts that are a 2 out of 5 at best.  I honestly don't get it.

How in the world can peeps get away with purposely lowering or increasing scores, for their own betterment?  I say Sean posts the actual scores each round from each voter, so we see who the cheats are.  That way, they'd be hard pressed to continue doing it, round after round, knowing their gig is up and everyone knows what they're doing.

Harsh?  Life is harsh.  And, didn't you have a cheater in this last year, who was never named?  Someone trying to increase their scores by creating phantom accounts or something?  I bet whoever that cheater was, they're doing everything they can to better their scores again this year.  Once a cheat, always a cheat.


Actually, Jeff, both Don and I have individualized our scoring sheets (his has a more professional look than mine, but what can you do?) and in the case of nearly every reviewer AND every script, more 1s were handed out than 5s.

Here's my big issue with what you're saying, Jeff. It's a problem I come across every time I run one of these contests and it gets a bit irritating. See, you believe 5s are rare and that's fine, because you review the way you do, just like everyone does. But, I don't think enough credit is given to the idea that you only have a maximum of three days (remember, it was originally going to be two) to write a script in a genre you may not be well-versed in, using props and locations that don't fit easily together. In my personal opinion, if I were reviewing, I'd be a bit more lenient and understanding that it's a miracle these scripts came out as well as they did. Like I said, everyone reviews in their own way. You shouldn't chastise people who are lenient, just like they shouldn't chastise you for being strict.

If you're going to make a claim that people are intentionally trying to skew the scoring, Jeff, PM me about it and we'll talk about it. But, you can't just make a claim like that without any proof of it. I take things like that very personally, because these scores were gone through by both Don and I (he may or may not have done this on his end. I'm not certain) and there is no evidence of vote tampering. In actual fact, I was surprised by how much in agreement people were with their votes, on average. Now, in regards to posting the scores, no. It's not happening. As I said in the round 1 thread, there are two reasons I'm doing it. One is a personal reason of my own. The second, though, is because we have reviewers who recognize other people's writing styles. I want to dis-incentivize cheating in all forms. Period. I won't discuss the topic of making the scores public during the tournament again.

That's right. There was a caught cheater last year whom we never named. Their inflated score didn't change the scores in the round they were able to do it in. What's your point?


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My bet is that Warren definitely purposely rates up or down when he knows the writer, based on whether he's in love with that person, or hates them.


Jeff, you're making accusations of cheating out of thin air. Seriously, what are you doing?


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Dreamscale
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If anyone is sad enough to go to the lengths as described in some of the above posts then the simplest solution is to get rid of the scoring entirely.


What are you referring to, Anthony?  What lengths?  Cheating?

If that's what you're talking about, you know damn well it has happened and happens probably more frequently than you realize.

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Yes, Jeff, cheating and/or getting your SS mates to read it to try and influence scoring.

I'm aware of the incident last year, but I've no idea if the issues you describe are widespread.

Widespread or not, my solution would make it pointless!


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jayrex
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If you take any of these scripts, any one that you would vote a 5, and changed the timescale from 72hours to 365 days, would you still vote a 5?

31 days, would you still vote a 5?

1 week?

72 hours?

You got to put everything in perspective.

Can you really be harsh on anyone for submitting their entry of 72hours?  Many people created their entry last minute.


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Dreamscale
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Jeff, you're making accusations of cheating out of thin air. Seriously, what are you doing?


I was just messing around, as peeps have been messing around with me.  That's all.

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Who was the writer who made multiple accounts? You have to credit their desire to win that mug.
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Mr. Blonde
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I was just messing around, as peeps have been messing around with me.  That's all.


Okay. Fair enough. But, you're right. There has been way too much of that going on thus far (on both sides). It's getting kind of old.


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Is there a mug?
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Mr. Blonde
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Is there a mug?


Not to my knowledge.


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Quoted from Mr. Blonde


Not to my knowledge.


I could understand the mug. To some that will be worth cheating for. Cheating just to win is pointless.
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Not to my knowledge.


Da fuq? I already made a space for it in my cupboard...


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Da fuq? I already made a space for it in my cupboard...


If the leaderboard stays how it is now, Don might break into my apartment and give my mug to you


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Is there a mug?


I think it's a white Speedo bathing suit this time around - size Medium.
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I think it's a white Speedo bathing suit this time around - size Medium.


Gonna have to step my game up then. I need that white speedo!!!
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If I remember correct, I gave out no 5's. I gave two 1's, both on story. I think I only listed 3 as not meeting the requirement. I shared no reads or information with anyone. I knew none of the writers, except Jeff's was easy to spot a mile away. I even gave that one some credit  because it seemed to me the writer was just trying to keep his skin in the game.

My ranking did not match too well with the ranking that came out. Tucker and Dale and the Package came out on top on my list. Just Stop was my favorite, but scored a point lower because of criteria.

So it went:
Tucker and Dale 15
Package 15
Just Stop 14
I'm Being Watched 14
Head Case 14

Scores of five were reserved for a script that hit it out of the park. None came close to that.

Looking at my list, I gave one 4, for prose in Melt, a script that didn't score that high otherwise for me because I thought it was way over the top.


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