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Dreamscale
Posted: February 23rd, 2012, 10:07am Report to Moderator
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Some mysteries are better left unsolved...
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Pale Yellow
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When I first started here, I too, felt like there were some harsh critiques on here...was almost turned off by it.

BUT that said, NOW I would go to the HARDNOSED reviewers first hand for help because these are the ones that wake me up to what I'm doing wrong.

Sometimes it may hurt your feelings, but take it with a grain of salt and consider youself lucky that they would even take a stab at reading some of OUR new stuff.

Thank you to the everyone in here for all you've done to help me in my learning curve. And I'm sure I have many more lashings to come, but call me a sadist if you want, I look foward to any reviews good or bad.
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I personally love harsh critiques! It's the best way to learn IMO.  
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Honesty is the key word, and the most helpful approach. I personally would rather just tell everyone I love their work. But to help them, you have to be honest about flaws you find.

Same applies to reviews of my work. Obviously you want people to approve your stuff, but it's the criticism that's helpful.

Honesty also means constructive, however. Every script you open should be a script you want to succeed, or don't open it. There's no room for attacking scripts for personal reasons, or because of some kind of general bitterness or frustration. Give a script a chance, then advise how it could be made better.
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Penoyer79
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i completely agree. honest constructive criticism is what im looking for.


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Some mysteries are better left unsolved...


see kids, we writers call that a "cliche"... better off avoiding those  

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Quoted from Steve
I personally love harsh critiques! It's the best way to learn IMO.


You tell them Steve! The fact that you`re one yourself helps

Mark


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Christ, I can't believe this thread is still breathing...


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BUT that said, NOW I would go to the HARDNOSED reviewers first hand for help because these are the ones that wake me up to what I'm doing wrong.


There's a difference between a harsh and honest review and one that is just mean and demoralizing.  Writing the latter will scare the new writers from the site.


Phil

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I actually remember my first posted work. It was actually the first time anyone had read my work anywhere. And it was about a year ago, the Feb OWC.

It's definitely a weird feeling, especially when it's your first and you have no idea how people will react to your writing. When the returns start coming in negative, it's definitely demoralizing.

As I remember it, the first reviews were either negative, or people just trying to be nice. Then a few good reviews came in to balance it off. Jeff, who I did not know, wrote that my writing was awful...but his review was actually encouraging because he hated the writing but liked the story. So I began trying to learn how to write.

But I agree with Phil, the idea should be to help and encourage a writer, whether it's a new writer or a veteran. If someone's purpose in reading a script is only to attack it, for whatever the reason, you're wasting your time and the writer's.
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Quoted from irish eyes


You tell them Steve! The fact that you`re one yourself helps

Mark


You think I'm a harsh critique, Mark? I always thought I was a nice critique if that's possible

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Quoted from Steve
You think I'm a harsh critique, Mark? I always thought I was a nice critique if that's possible


Ahh Good morning sunshine!!  touched a nerve there, buddy .... I knew I could break you, you harsh critic.

Your one of the nicest englishmen ever besides Hugh Grant!


Mark



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Quoted from irish eyes
Your one of the nicest englishmen ever besides Hugh Grant!


One of my worst insults ever! How can Hugh Grant be nicer? That new avatar has broken me, it's terrible. Change it immediately >
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dogglebe
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lets remember that we're all here to help eachother. it's not a competition and no one's going to win anything.


Actually, for those of us trying to go pro, it is a competition.  If someone is looking is looking for a Filipino tranny romcom and several people here have such a script, we'll be competing over who catches the director/producer's eye.  Until then, however, we can be nice to each other.

Oh crap!  I just gave away the theme and genre to the OWC.


Phil

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Actually, for those of us trying to go pro, it is a competition.  If someone is looking is looking for a Filipino tranny romcom and several people here have such a script, we'll be competing over who catches the director/producer's eye.  Until then, however, we can be nice to each other.

Oh crap!  I just gave away the theme and genre to the OWC.


Phil



Actually, like the OWC, the site is not a competition -- it's a challenge .   But if you do compete against each other on the site, I hope you do so by writing quality  screenplays instead of trying to tear each other down.  
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interestingly enough the Regs rarely seem to go after eachother. most of the "tearing down vitirol" gets directed at the n00bs....which was sort of my point. there's a bit of a "prove yourself" mentality on this board.

so maybe by competitiveness i mean... elitist? (ugly word)

which works out if your going for the whole "microcosm of Hollywood" deal

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dogglebe
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Quoted from Penoyer79
interestingly enough the Regs rarely go after eachother...which is funny because they are the tough competition. most of the "tearing down" gets directed at the  n00bs....


Not all the regs do this...

Also, a lot of the regulars are also on Facebook.  That's usually where the real trashing occurs.


Phil

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