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Murphy
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 6:02pm Report to Moderator
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Okay, Just thought. Where did Wolf come from? Is he not walking on the road with the others?

Does that mean that Sam and Leona are there too?
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mcornetto
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 6:12pm Report to Moderator
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Hahaha! Poor George - I mean Wolf.  

Nicely done you two.  This is a good start to the end. A bit on the cliche side of things, with the drums and all, but  I don't mind.

GM is up and he's watching, so he knows.  I update the tracksheet but it is Australia Day after all and I should be celebrating.
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Dreamscale
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 6:44pm Report to Moderator
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Hey Giles, it doesn't matter whether or not you've been to any of these areas...I know I sure haven't been anywhere near there in many, many years.  But we all have the same tools available to us, as far as I know.  Any mapping website is all one needs to check out an area, directions from one location to another, etc.  If you're not familiar with them, here's a couple that should really help...

Google maps
Mapquest maps
AAA maps

With these, you can literally zoom in on any area and see exactly what's in the immediate area.

Hope this helps.
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Murphy
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 6:57pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Dreamscale
Hey Giles, it doesn't matter whether or not you've been to any of these areas...I know I sure haven't been anywhere near there in many, many years.  But we all have the same tools available to us, as far as I know.  Any mapping website is all one needs to check out an area, directions from one location to another, etc.  If you're not familiar with them, here's a couple that should really help...

Google maps
Mapquest maps
AAA maps

With these, you can literally zoom in on any area and see exactly what's in the immediate area.

Hope this helps.



Err Cheers, but have used a map before. Like I said, Google Earth is okay but certainly no substitute for actually having been to a place. I think it is a little harsh to complain of people getting geography not entirely correct when you are talking to people who live all over the globe.  I would be inclined to give some leeway with regards to matters of geography, after all If Jack Bauer can get from one side of LA to the other in 15 mins then we can be afforded the same poetic licence.

If one was writing a solo script then yes I would expect the homework to be better, but it is hard enough trying to follow on from someone else and all the twists and turns that they have introduced without worrying about whether some town really does have a golf course or not.


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Sandra Elstree.
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 7:13pm Report to Moderator
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Hahaha! Poor George - I mean Wolf.  

Nicely done you two.  This is a good start to the end. A bit on the cliche side of things, with the drums and all, but  I don't mind.

GM is up and he's watching, so he knows.  I update the tracksheet but it is Australia Day after all and I should be celebrating.


Our dear Ripley is still involved with rewrites; so maybe he can do some back pedaling and do something in the set up for Wolf being extremely important in all of this.

In the rewrites- maybe we can specify that the drums are the traditional Hindu Damru drums.  

I'm sure that George is going to have a field day after GM gets through with his work.

Sandra




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Murphy
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 7:21pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Sandra Elstree.


Our dear Ripley is still involved with rewrites; so maybe he can do some back pedaling and do something in the set up for Wolf being extremely important in all of this.

In the rewrites- maybe we can specify that the drums are the traditional Hindu Damru drums.  

I'm sure that George is going to have a field day after GM gets through with his work.

Sandra




We'll see Sandra, I must admit though that any plans I had have been binned now, I can honestly say I do not have a clue what to do from here. I'll be no doubt thinking of this all day, maybe getting drunk will help. I genuinely do not understand what is going on.
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Dreamscale
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 7:38pm Report to Moderator
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Sorry to say it again, but I'm completely lost once again.  How'd Wolf show up at this altre palce or whatever it is?  Where's Timber and the others?  How'd this giant Shiva alter thing get built so fast?  If I'm not mistaken, we're still in the same day (or possibly the next) as when the very first piece was posted.

Hmmm, maybe I'm not drinking enough to keep up?  Beign Sunday, I probably won't be able to catch a big enough buzz to properly comprehend this.
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Sandra Elstree.
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 7:54pm Report to Moderator
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Sorry to say it again, but I'm completely lost once again.  How'd Wolf show up at this altre palce or whatever it is?  Where's Timber and the others?  How'd this giant Shiva alter thing get built so fast?  If I'm not mistaken, we're still in the same day (or possibly the next) as when the very first piece was posted.

Hmmm, maybe I'm not drinking enough to keep up?  Beign Sunday, I probably won't be able to catch a big enough buzz to properly comprehend this.


I went back and re-read the whole script more than once in some parts.

One thing that bothered me was that these wonderful characters were being built and then killed off without any kind  of tie ups. It seemed very pointless; so that's why I had Piscivorus bring it up in the dialogue with Wolf in the dream and relating it to life. Like they've done this countless times before both Wolf and good ole Pesco and they both do tire sometimes- but that's the way she rolls around.

These two important characters arrived in the script late and I started to question why? What do they mean to everything? In the dream it's alluded that these guys go wa...y back in a circle of time.

Research Shiva and serpents and it's all about the cycles of birth and death/destruction creating new cycles.

The feeling I got was that this was being set up to have Wolf and Piscivorus play important rolls (Ah, that might be roles).

Javier set up the idea that Cordelia was Shiva's child and this works well for her character. There's a potential in future work for Innocence to fight to try and protect Cordelia, but Cordelia flat out refuses. Could Cordelia be growing up? Is she grown up already but only playing a child?

Regarding getting somewhere soon:

Having two definite honorable people: Piscovirus and Wolf fighting the good fight seems like a good showdown.

Julio wrote about "the blasphemers" and I think having this "third element" to complicate  things is really good.

The clarification of who these blasphemers are and their role is open for speculation.

Sandra




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MBCgirl
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 8:13pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Murphy
Err Cheers, but have used a map before. Like I said, Google Earth is okay but certainly no substitute for actually having been to a place. I think it is a little harsh to complain of people getting geography not entirely correct when you are talking to people who live all over the globe.  I would be inclined to give some leeway with regards to matters of geography, after all If Jack Bauer can get from one side of LA to the other in 15 mins then we can be afforded the same poetic licence.

If one was writing a solo script then yes I would expect the homework to be better, but it is hard enough trying to follow on from someone else and all the twists and turns that they have introduced without worrying about whether some town really does have a golf course or not.


Here I go again   First off...I knew nothing about and have never been to the Ottawa area, but I spent a good deal of time working out location and details...mainly because if this were ever filmed...it's silly little stuff like distance and time issues and character location that can throw things off and cause people to not take the story seriously.

Additionally...Giles...this isn't just directed at you...I hope you know that I say it for all of us and hopefully to help us grow as a team. This is a collaborative effort...and each participant is responsible for gathering information from the prior scenes...checking out where character's are located, develop the characters and story line.  

Allegory:  When a relay team runs a race...it is extremely important for each and every member of the team to do their very best in order to win. During the Olympics in China we saw winners and losers based on this key component.

When you baton to the next person in our SHIVA team...let's look at leaving the next person in the best position to complete their scene.  I really want everyone to know that I take this seriously...it's a way for me to learn and grow as a writer...and no matter where we live or come from...we owe it to each other to take the extra steps to make it easier for each other.  

Example: When I found us all walking in the woods after my last post...it bothered me so I looked it up...we were still over 50 minutes by vehicle to Niagara Falls...so that's even farther at a walk.

So that brings me to the most recent post.  There are a few things I like about it...the dark mystery...the lights...the night.  I feel I can see it.  

What "trips me up" about it is that Wolf is there and we are still too far away walking...and if Wolf were there...what happened to Timber his pet wolf (Timber and Wolf are one complete character. (both have to be present) and where are Sam and Leona now?  Wouldn't most viewers be asking those same questions?

I'm not asking for ALL the dots to be connected...but this is one of those situtaions that people would be going, "What happened to Timber, Sam and Leona...where are we?????"  

Again...not sorry...just want to make sure everyone knows I speak up so we can all grow.


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Dreamscale
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 8:26pm Report to Moderator
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Jayrex's scene starts out like this...

quote=jayrex]INT.  RAINBOW BOULEVARD – NIGHT
Piscivorus sits in the driver’s seat of the family size car.

Huge problems right off the bat.  Hopefully, we all undertand why...
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Murphy
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 8:31pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Dreamscale
Jayrex's scene starts out like this...

quote=jayrex]INT.  RAINBOW BOULEVARD – NIGHT
Piscivorus sits in the driver’s seat of the family size car.

Huge problems right off the bat.  Hopefully, we all undertand why...


Last time we saw Piscivorus he had invited everyone into his car and they were heading for the Falls. So that made sense to me. It is Wolf that has posed some questions, but that can be worked out I think.
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mcornetto
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 8:31pm Report to Moderator
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By the way, who did Javier kill?
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Sandra Elstree.
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 9:28pm Report to Moderator
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By the way, who did Javier kill?


He pointed to Heidi being the one that was going to be killed in the sacrifice, but he didn't finish it off.

I agree, we've got some jumps here. I think they all are good challenges for us to work out in the rewrites.

Re: Locations

They are important and no one is dismissing them. We'd have to be completely ignorant to dismiss them, but when working on the scenes we are not always working in "linear". Whatever the hell that means LOL.

The questions raised are all really good ones and we need to address them.

Sandra




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mcornetto
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 9:32pm Report to Moderator
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Ok, then whomever is next  with heads up will have to do a double kill.   You guys do remember that this is set up as a game?  The kills are important because there needs to be the correct number of characters at the end.  
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Dreamscale
Posted: January 25th, 2009, 9:34pm Report to Moderator
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No, the point I was making is that the scene says it's INT. RAINBOW BLVD, and then the first sentence says that Pisc sits in the car.  From there, we go back outside as the car somehow crashes, back inside the car again, etc.

The scene heading makes no sense at all, and that's how we get started!
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