Quoted from Murphy Last time we saw Piscivorus he had invited everyone into his car and they were heading for the Falls. So that made sense to me. It is Wolf that has posed some questions, but that can be worked out I think.

Just to let you know Giles, blame me not Javier.

We were working to incorporate Wolf and I had been taking a bird's eye view of the script-- especially Wolf and Piscivorus.

I take responsibility for Wolf's appearance here.

We had both been waiting for something from Ripley and it didn't happen yet; so I was trying to wrap my mind around this critical time and figure out a way to "not" disregard" the characters that have already died through the dream dialogue.

Javier was bringing us to something important that was going on that Julio had already set up with the occultists.

The scene he produced is really strong.

What are our options here? Another "On the road again" scene?

This is something we can study as we move forward.

How many road scenes until something major happens?

It's an excellent question.

As far as figuring out the locations, I don't see a problem on either side of the fence. We all agree it's important and we'll definitely work out the details.

Good questions. Good discussion. That's what it's all about.

Sandra

Quoted from Dreamscale No, the point I was making is that the scene says it's INT. RAINBOW BLVD, and then the first sentence says that Pisc sits in the car.  From there, we go back outside as the car somehow crashes, back inside the car again, etc. The scene heading makes no sense at all, and that's how we get started!

Ah! I see what you're saying. It needs changing to EXT. RAINBOW BLVD.

And we're inside the car.

Good spotting on this.

The slugs can get past a person very easily and it's always a zinger when we find the errors.

Sandra

Quoted from mcornetto Ok, then whomever is next  with heads up will have to do a double kill.   You guys do remember that this is set up as a game?  The kills are important because there needs to be the correct number of characters at the end.

This is fun. Now I'm wondering who's going to get killed next. But I love them all so much that it's hard to see them go.  

Sandra

It's not just that it should be an EXT. shot to start out, it's all messed up, cause there's both EXT. and INT. shots mixed together.

So, what happened to Timber, Sam, and Leona?  And why no kill again?

Information...we want information...

This is bullshit...putting it mildly   There are certain rules that should be followed in this game and I really don't care who's fault it is...that is irrelevant...we should just follow the rules.  Why is that so hard to do?

Sandra...you mentioned in one of your posts you had just gone back and reviewed this...I can understand Wolf being in the dream, but he should NOT have been in the post.

Additionally people...why does it always have to fall to the rewrite?  How can we conduct a collaborative effort and not follow through with the basic fundamentals of this game?

Sandra...I'going to say this...not to hurt your feelings...but maybe it still will.  Your dream seemed more like back story than a dream...and again you have managed to control where this story goes.  That in of itself does not bother me...but if you are going to take that role...then follow through.

If we are going to help each other...then let's do that.  

I'm aggrivated right now by all this.

I see no problem with Heidi's death scene being implied but not seen yet. We know she's gonna die in the next turn in the double kill, so what's the problem here? As long as it is a one-time-only, it's fine by me.

As for Wolf -- come on, guys. You're writers. Be creative. Astral projection, chameleon reptoid...there are dozens of possibilities.

Maybe it was a fake Wolf, and when we see him again that might create conflicts between him and the NY tribe. The possibilities are endless for the next turn.

This is a collaborative effort, and I, for one, see this last turn as a challange, not a set-back.

And as for the dream -- I agree, they are getting a little too informative. But then again, we're nearing the end. They cannot be incoherent sequences forever.

--Julio
  

Quoted from MBCgirl This is bullshit...putting it mildly   There are certain rules that should be followed in this game and I really don't care who's fault it is...that is irrelevant...we should just follow the rules.  Why is that so hard to do? Sandra...you mentioned in one of your posts you had just gone back and reviewed this...I can understand Wolf being in the dream, but he should NOT have been in the post. Additionally people...why does it always have to fall to the rewrite?  How can we conduct a collaborative effort and not follow through with the basic fundamentals of this game? Sandra...I'going to say this...not to hurt your feelings...but maybe it still will.  Your dream seemed more like back story than a dream...and again you have managed to control where this story goes.  That in of itself does not bother me...but if you are going to take that role...then follow through. If we are going to help each other...then let's do that.   I'm aggrivated right now by all this.

I can't help your aggravation. I'm sorry for that, but I'm doing my best here.

And I don't want Javier to be blamed.

As far as the question of "should nots". I think you are limiting the potential of what can happen and forgetting that writing is rewriting.

Forwards in time happen all the time in movies and I'm not saying that this is what should happen here, but people are trying to create interesting scenes, not ruin it.

I know for a fact that Javier didn't intend to mess up with incorporating Wolf. I don't understand why you seem to be pissed off and screaming bullshit. I wouldn't expect that.

It was a solid scene in my humble opinion. I see things as being very fluid. LOL (Get it? The water? Fluid?) Seriously though.

We can wipe Wolf from the scene. We can wipe out the entire last dream scene. We are working here and that means that we bring something to the table (insert tea lights and wine or hard stuff if you prefer) and we can also remove it.

However we approach it, it's important to remember that we are all on the same team here. We are all, to the best of our abilities trying to adhere to "the basic fundamentals" of the game.

I see people trying really hard. This is more than a game to many of us and I think that your intensity echoes that sentiment.

We must maintain control however and recognize that we can remain liquid and that errors and miscalculations of any sort are part of the whole exercise.

What could we argue or discuss if we were all perfect here?

We're here to learn and part of that means making mistakes.

Sandra

Don't re-write it. I already presented dozens of possibilities for Wolf's prescence in this last scene. What's a game without a little challenge?

Quoted from ReaperCreeper This is a collaborative effort, and I, for one, see this last turn as a challenge, not a set-back. And as for the dream -- I agree, they are getting a little too informative. But then again, we're nearing the end. They cannot be incoherent sequences forever. --Julio

You've actually spoken what I felt in my heart, but I couldn't articulate properly. Thanks Julio. Thanks for that a whole lot.

I didn't know what it was, but that's exactly it. I wanted to move past the "big scary God idea" and bring this down to something we could understand. Or not. Good man against Good man-- since I saw both the two new characters as good. Neither had shown up in the script as big and bad but as helpful.

There was something that had to be revealed-- it had to come forward and that's why I chose to work with Wolf and Piscivorus.

Shiva seems too big a concept to work with properly; so the idea of bringing one of his/her aspects down to earth in the form of Rudra (the healer) and also consider the potential battle between Wolf and Piscivorus... as part of the cycle of things appealed to me.

Julio's "third element" I thought was excellent and I grabbed onto it like Wolf grabbing onto a good hunk of meat.

When Javier sent me the first draft of his scene, I really was impressed. He was capturing the night and working with the rituals that seem to have been going on all along, unbeknownst by our lovely characters that received their calls.

I don't know if it's possible or how everyone feels about it, but I'd love to see the characters in their ghost forms at the end of this.

However it goes though-  

I feel that these characters need to be depicted as not having lived in vain.

Jack's round of golf sticks in my mind, (and know that being eaten by a serpent is actually believed to be an initiation if anyone wants to use that) but this was the scene that had me thinking a lot about how the other characters had died.

When I recognized that Jack had went out doing something he loved, it struck a chord with me. The bittersweet ending did have a tie up.

It's then that all the deaths started to become a question to me. And what really had me thinking was when Colin was done in...

He's the one that started out our story... How could he die? I asked myself.

Maybe too other people are still thinking about Albert. I am. I'm thinking about him and how he talked with his wife passed over... and ALL the languages he'd learned.

James had this real power to him and he was going with full force to get the "ultimate weapon". ...

Sam experienced this "big change". She was going for the gusto! Going for payback!

It goes on...

It seems right that we consider our dead.

Maybe I'm being over sentimental.

Sandra

Reaper is right, don't worry Sandra, it is better overall that people are getting to the final destination quicker, there are ways of explaining Wolf being there, just gonna need some imagination.

I don't know why there is this feeling that everything needs to be rooted in reality, this is the movies for God's sake, movies always take liberties with location and time. We have a story here about giant man eating serpents, Gods being reincarnated and people following dreams to the Niagra Falls. Why are people worrying about how many miles someone has walked? It makes no sense.

I did actually begin my scene with a comedic idea that nobody could be heard on Three Sisters Island, the noise from the falls would make it difficult for anyone to hear and the constant spray may well mean that it is impossible to light a fire. I mean it is a tiny island only a couple of hundred feet big and in the middle of the Niagra Falls. So I did my research and realised they would need to move back to Goat Island just to be heard. But that was just stupid, it is the movies and if we want a quiet Three Sisters Island then we can have one, just like we can have people move 50 miles in 2 minutes if we want to too.

I will start again, I will kill 2 people but don't expect anything till tomorrow night (Tuesday morning US) as not gonna be able to finish anything today and back at work tomorrow.

But don't change anything in the meantime co's that will just mess me up.

Cheers.

Quoted from Murphy But don't change anything in the meantime co's that will just mess me up. Cheers.

We are all working frantically and appreciate the dedication and intensity that people have demonstrated. The dedication is strong and the people here really do care or they wouldn't bother. That's clear. The caliber of writers and their brain power makes me shake my head and wonder about the very best work we can create. Even if it's never produced-- I still wonder about it.

If we care this much, it means a lot. It means that together, we are a group that cares-- and about every detail. To me, that says we've got some people that deserve high respect even though they'd probably toss it aside saying, "This? Ha! It means nothing yet!'

There's a crew of perfectionists here. They scrutinize and analyze until the cows come home.

Working with souls that care like this is the reward.

If we can share this reward-- then we are blessed to a googleplex and beyond.

Sandra

Quoted from Dreamscale It's not just that it should be an EXT. shot to start out, it's all messed up, cause there's both EXT. and INT. shots mixed together. So, what happened to Timber, Sam, and Leona?  And why no kill again? Information...we want information...

This question needs to be brought up.

Let's work on this.

Thanks Jeff for your good thinking.

Sandra

Quoted from Orange I'm going to post within the next hour. Sorry it's taken so long... edit: Okay, I just posted. Sorry it's so long again, hope everyone likes it. edit again: Also ,I meant to post this earlier but I couldn't find a good link so, i finally ended up going onto youtube. Just in case I got the whole dun nuh's wrong in the scene I posted, here is the song that Michael is humming. Again, sorry about ths video but this is the only thing i could find close to what i was looking for because i dont know what the actual tune is called or if it even has a name.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6MG1DI6d9U

I watched the gentleman here and I think that we are all missing a  ...

... A something.

...

I was a bit thrown by Wolf's presence, but I can think of at least two possibilities (possibly more if my mind wanders enough) that would give the audience the impression of Wolf being there (or that he's actually there).

One is that it's not Wolf at all, though that might come off as cheap.

Another is the differing time frames mentioned. There's nothing that says the Detroit tribe is traveling at the exact same time as the New York tribe. There could have also been a time lapse between their individual stories and it's up to whoever is next in the Detroit lineup to catch it up. (ref. Lord of the Rings where we see Pippin pounced on by a horse in the Rohirrim/Uruk-Hai battle, followed by the three hunters catching up to them where it appears they died, followed by a flashback explaining what really happened to Merry and Pippin) Similar methods were used in the Saw movies to establish their twists (might I mention Saw II?). By this logic, the hour or so that Detroit has to reach the point where New York is could be caught up prior to the next New York turn and covered (meaning that Wolf is apparently safe on the next Detroit turn since he must survive to be there).

If you want to get really metaphysical, though, Wolf could be in two places at once if he's exceptionally skilled at psychokinesis and can transport himself through space to be somewhere else if he wants to be. I imagine, however, that such a thing would be such a long stretch that few of us would buy it.

Personally, I'm down for option two, though I am more than a little surprised at where my character has gone.

Although, do I read this correctly in that GM is next which is a second turn for the New York people? Interesting. I guess Detroit will have some catching up to do.

Yeah, obviously, there are a multitude of possibilities of how and why anything happened, or could happen...but is that what we're really going for here?  Is that, or was that the intent?

I know I often come off as an A-Hole, and I apologize for that.  I'm a little surprised at MBC's agitation over the last post, but I definitely understand her concerns.  The last couple posts are just littered with things that make absolutely no sense...scene headings that make no sense...plot points that make no sense...tons of mistakes, typos, etc.

In a way, I'm actually kind of glad that I killed myself off, cause at this point, there's just so much happening that it's impossible to follow, keep up with, etc.  Don't get me wrong, I'm still very interested in this project and look forward to each and every new post.  It's just fallen down a few notches recently, and has completely left the realm of believability, as far as I can see.

I definitely do not mean to put anyone down or upset anyone with these comments...it's just how I feel.